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by Excaliber
Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:41 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Tennessee Takes Leadership on Gun Free Zones
Replies: 35
Views: 8266

Re: Tennessee Takes Leadership on Gun Free Zones

XinTX wrote:
Scott Farkus wrote:I'd rather revisit 30.06 in its entirety, but this seems like the next best thing. Let's do it!
This. I'd prefer to remove force of law for a 30.06 sign. But the business community will fight that. I'd rather eliminate a law rather than adding one. But, if the force of law can't be removed on 30.06, this would be my next choice. As has been said here, posting your business is akin to putting up a "wet floor" sign and taking no action to mitigate it after that. If a business posts AND takes some good faith effort to provide for the security of their customers, that's okay.

And it's true no one "forces" you to go into a place of business. But under our current system, businesses are considered "public accommodations". This will add some liability to businesses that post. But it would be fairly small. The incident rate of mass shootings is extremely low. Simple single shootings in the course of a robbery is higher. But in MOST communities, the likelihood is so low that the small level of added liability won't be a game changer. Especially for the insurers that encourage their clients to post.
The Tennessee law doesn't limit liability to active shooter incidents only - it looks like it would apply to injuries sustained during an aggravated robbery, which is much more common.

Insurers work on probabilities of losses. Losses from not posting are nearly non-existent. Losses from robberies at convenience stores would be highly likely. The TN law is likely to be a game changer there.
by Excaliber
Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:08 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Tennessee Takes Leadership on Gun Free Zones
Replies: 35
Views: 8266

Re: Tennessee Takes Leadership on Gun Free Zones

drjoker wrote:For the same reason that we don't need more laws regulating guns because we only need to enforce the existing laws, the same principle is at play here. Even if you were injured as a result of a ban guns sign, you'd still have to prove it in a court of law. Wait! There already are laws on the books stating that if a business is provably the cause of an injury on said business premises, they'd be held financially liable! No need for this law and no need for hipocrisy when it comes to our claim that no new gun ban laws are needed because we only need to enforce current laws. IANAL.
The issue is the "cause" part. The victims of the Aurora Theatre shooting just lost a lawsuit on this.

Oh, and now the theatre is suing the victims to recover attorney costs. Details here.

Current laws aren't working real well here.
by Excaliber
Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:48 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Tennessee Takes Leadership on Gun Free Zones
Replies: 35
Views: 8266

Tennessee Takes Leadership on Gun Free Zones

A new law in Tennessee places liability on the owner of a property posted as a gun free zone if someone who could be lawfully armed except for the posting is injured or killed on the property.

This is exactly what should be the law everywhere. We need to push this hard at the next legislative session in Texas. Details here.

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