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by Excaliber
Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:40 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: informing a threat
Replies: 19
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Re: informing a threat

VoiceofReason wrote:
Excaliber wrote:
rmr1923 wrote:
MedicMan218 wrote:I agree with both previous post
same here... if you feel that you need to tell a threat that you're armed (as an act to deter them from coming closer), it's time to draw and THEN give a verbal warning. my first instinct would be to try to just get out of there with as little incident as possible, but if i felt cornered or otherwise unable to escape safely, i'd rather draw first and then give them a verbal warning to back off and let me leave. my first assumption in this situation is that they are possibly armed too, if you just tell them you're armed and don't draw, how do you know they won't draw on you first? sure you've practiced drawing your weapon at home several times, but when faced with a real-life threatening situation, are you SURE you can get your gun out quicker than they can?
Because action is faster than reaction, he who starts the draw first wins - just about every time, unless he fumbles.

Even if he ends up being a fraction of a second behind you, you end up with an effective tie - not a desirable circumstance in an armed confrontation. With both of you either pointing guns at each other or firing them at each other, the plan for extricating yourself with no more holes in your personal real estate than you started with might be - what?
Answer to your question-yes.

45 HYDRA-SHOK, close range, only need a fraction of a second advantage.

Practice!

When I was in law enforcement a partner told me "If you are going to carry a gun, be able to get it out of the holster and hit with it. The worst thing in the world to do would be to get stabbed to death with your gun still in the holster."
A fraction of a second advantage may very well allow you to get a shot off first, but if your opponent gets one off a fraction of a second later, you've still got an effective tie - both of you have shot each other. I don't put those situations in the "win" column.

An unannounced surprise draw that results in the BG facing a fully drawn and ready weapon with his still inside his waistband would put you in a far stronger and less painful position.
by Excaliber
Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:13 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: informing a threat
Replies: 19
Views: 2937

Re: informing a threat

MasterOfNone wrote:PC 9.04 states that a threat of deadly force by producing a weapon is not considered deadly force - it's just force. So if you were justified in using force (if he had grabbed you), you could threaten him with the gun. However, in PC 9.31:
(b) The use of force against another is not justified:
(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;
The questions is, though, is his threat considered force against you?
Provocation and threat are not the same thing.

Cursing would fall into provocation.

Statement of an intent to do harm is a threat.

The former is not justification for use of force.

The latter may be, depending on the surrounding circumstances relating to ability and jeopardy.
by Excaliber
Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:13 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: informing a threat
Replies: 19
Views: 2937

Re: informing a threat

rmr1923 wrote:
MedicMan218 wrote:I agree with both previous post
same here... if you feel that you need to tell a threat that you're armed (as an act to deter them from coming closer), it's time to draw and THEN give a verbal warning. my first instinct would be to try to just get out of there with as little incident as possible, but if i felt cornered or otherwise unable to escape safely, i'd rather draw first and then give them a verbal warning to back off and let me leave. my first assumption in this situation is that they are possibly armed too, if you just tell them you're armed and don't draw, how do you know they won't draw on you first? sure you've practiced drawing your weapon at home several times, but when faced with a real-life threatening situation, are you SURE you can get your gun out quicker than they can?
Because action is faster than reaction, he who starts the draw first wins - just about every time, unless he fumbles.

Even if he ends up being a fraction of a second behind you, you end up with an effective tie - not a desirable circumstance in an armed confrontation. With both of you either pointing guns at each other or firing them at each other, the plan for extricating yourself with no more holes in your personal real estate than you started with might be - what?

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