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by Excaliber
Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:35 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Talk to me about +P ammo
Replies: 18
Views: 3508

Re: Talk to me about +P ammo

wrinkles wrote:There is a SAAMI spec for +p there is no spec for +P+. For example 9mm standard=35,000psi, +p=38,500psi so +P+ can be anything over 38,500 like say 38,501 or 50,000 :shock:

[JMO]
According to the terminal ballistics experts the ,same ones that help design self defense ammo, and several federal studies, the only thing that reliabley stops an attacker is bullet penetration and bullet expansion. The bullet must penetrate deep enough to reach vital organs (at less than optimal angles) and it must make a large hole in order to promote rapid bleeding. Barring a central nervous hit bleeding it the only other reliable stopping mechanism in a pistol round. There is no "shock" or "knock down" factor the bullet will not tear or crush any more tissue via shock or velocity it only wound by what tissue comes into contact with the bullet itself. Having said that a bullet that expands, and penetrates a minimum of 12" in calibrated ballistics gel which studies have shown very closely relate to the penetration and expansion to real life officer involved shootings, is all that is need. There are several +p and non +p rounds that meet this performance so I've never seen the need for +p+ ammo and I prefer the heavier bullet at standard pressure because gives less muzzle blast.

[/JMO]
Actually, there are 3 ways to achieve a knockdown or stop:

1. Central nervous system strike (e.g. brain stem) - instant shutdown, end of story.

2. Perforation or laceration of major blood vessels sufficient to cause hypovolemic shock (loss of so much blood that the heart is unable to provide sufficient blood pressure to maintain the brain and central organs) which results in unconsciousness and / or death. This can happen either rapidly with a hit to the aorta or other primary vessel, or more slowly with smaller vessels. Expanded projectiles make larger holes and thus may theoretically injure more blood vessels and / or allow blood to escape more rapidly than smaller projectiles that make smaller holes in the same part of the body.

3. Damage to a major skeletal member (e.g. spine or pelvis) to the point that it no longer supports the body upright and prevents walking or running. This will result in "knockdown" (inability to remain upright) and loss of mobility but not necessarily incapacitation, depending on exactly what is damaged and how.
by Excaliber
Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:28 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Talk to me about +P ammo
Replies: 18
Views: 3508

Re: Talk to me about +P ammo

AddyLO wrote:I've been looking for info on whether my handguns are rated for +P ammo but can't find a thing. I've got several boxes of Speer and Corbon but don't know whether I should use them.

For example, I read a forum comment that Springfield does NOT recommend putting +P through their XD9SC. I went to both the Springfield site and several of the ammo makers and don't see anything to substantiate this one way or the other.

How is one to know what is recommended and what is not? I would try the "shoot it and see" approach but I'd rather not risk damaging a perfectly good weapon on "testing". Surely someone has this type of information somewhere!

All advice welcome! TIA



p.s. - Sorry if this has already been discussed (over and over). It's kinda tough to search on the term "+P".
The quick and sure answer is to contact them.

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