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by Excaliber
Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:49 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Gun Shopping Update with Question
Replies: 37
Views: 4124

Re: Gun Shopping Update with Question

TLynnHughes wrote:
Excaliber wrote:
The Kahr's are good guns, but their claim to fame is very small size. I've got one, and it took about an hour of range time before I figured out a way to hold it so it shot well and I didn't unintentionally either hit the slide release and lock the slide open or drop the magazine when I fired it. If the 1911's grip is a too small challenge, you likely won't find a solution there.

One of the nice things about 1911's is that there are all kinds of grips made for them. Before giving up on this time proven design, you might try a set of Hogue's wrap around grips that add considerable meat to that area without making it harder to conceal. Hogue also makes a non wraparound style that's thicker than standard grips but without the front strap. They're very comfortable and they work great with my big paws. The front strap version is shown in the image below.

Another adaptation that can help is the rounded mainspring housing. (Also shown in the image below).

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The most important thing is to find a reliable gun in a decent caliber that you can shoot like an extension of your hand.
Excellent ideas!! Thank you! Fortunately, I can kind of experiment with grips on the Pro Carry (if williamkevin will let me ;-) ) and I'm in no hurry to buy. I know it kind of didn't make any sense if the grip of the Kimber was too small, that I'd be going to an even smaller gun. I was thinking since the Kimber was out of contention, I'd get a smaller, cheaper, yet reliable gun that would be easier for me to conceal on those days when the H&K Compact was too big.

Thanks again for your feedback. It has been very helpful.

T.
You might take a look at the S&W M&P line of pistols. They're good, reliable guns, come in compact versions in multiple calibers, and have a unique interchangeable backstrap system that allows the user to adapt the size of the grip to his or her hands. Pic below, and sample specs here.

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by Excaliber
Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:07 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Gun Shopping Update with Question
Replies: 37
Views: 4124

Re: Gun Shopping Update with Question

TLynnHughes wrote:
Excaliber wrote:
Yes. It's most likely not the gun.

The problem is very likely the difference between a long, heavy double action trigger like the H&K that you're used to and the short light single action trigger of a 1911. If you're leaning toward going with a single action gun of any brand, you'll have to spend a little time on single action trigger technique or you won't be happy with any of them.
Oh it absolutely was NOT the gun. Williamkevin shot just fine with it. It was me and the gun as a team. I still think they're fine weapons, they just aren't for me. My H&K has had a trigger job so after the initial DA trigger pull, the subsequent SA ones are short and light. I love it and I actually liked the trigger pull on the Kimber. I think it was the single stack vs a double stack. I have fairly large hands and really long fingers, so it just wasn't a good fit. I couldn't get the heel of my palm on the grip. I dunno if that made a difference or not. Overall, I just wasn't "feeling" it so to speak.

I am going to take a look at that Sig since more than one person has recommended it. I have a coworker who is in love with his Kahr and I'd like to shoot that. If I don't love either one of those, I may just stick with the H&K Compact for my carry and spend the money on a Texas edition Bushmaster. :drool:

And RiverRat, if I'm ever up that way, I'd like to take you up on shooting those guns. Those are fine looking firearms!

T.
The Kahr's are good guns, but their claim to fame is very small size. I've got one, and it took about an hour of range time before I figured out a way to hold it so it shot well and I didn't unintentionally either hit the slide release and lock the slide open or drop the magazine when I fired it. If the 1911's grip is a too small challenge, you likely won't find a solution there.

One of the nice things about 1911's is that there are all kinds of grips made for them. Before giving up on this time proven design, you might try a set of Hogue's wrap around grips that add considerable meat to that area without making it harder to conceal. Hogue also makes a non wraparound style that's thicker than standard grips but without the front strap. They're very comfortable and they work great with my big paws. The front strap version is shown in the image below.

Another adaptation that can help is the rounded mainspring housing. (Also shown in the image below).

Image

The most important thing is to find a reliable gun in a decent caliber that you can shoot like an extension of your hand.
by Excaliber
Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:31 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Gun Shopping Update with Question
Replies: 37
Views: 4124

Re: Gun Shopping Update with Question

TLynnHughes wrote:Well I'm going to have to change course. The Kimber is not for me I shot the Pro Carry today and was really disappointed. I'm reasonably accurate with my H&K but I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with the Kimber. I've shot my brother's .45 and I even do ok with that. I'm sure glad I rook the time to shoot before I plunked down the $$$.

Back to shopping. Any thoughts?

T.
Yes. It's most likely not the gun.

The problem is very likely the difference between a long, heavy double action trigger like the H&K that you're used to and the short light single action trigger of a 1911. If you're leaning toward going with a single action gun of any brand, you'll have to spend a little time on single action trigger technique or you won't be happy with any of them.
by Excaliber
Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:33 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Gun Shopping Update with Question
Replies: 37
Views: 4124

Re: Gun Shopping Update with Question

TLynnHughes wrote:Ok, I've been gun shopping. I don't like gun shopping but only because I have to make a choice. :lol:

I'm leaning to the Kimber Ultra Carry II. It's about the same size as my H&K Compact, but it's thinner, so that's a plus and sleeker. It has a nice feel to it. So here's the question - I'll have the opportunity to shoot a Pro Carry today which is a little larger than the Ultra Carry. What is the difference in recoil between the two? Is it significant or negligible. It's more of a curious question than a deal breaker type question. I'm not a sissy when it comes to recoil or anything....just kind of want to know what to expect should I decide to go with the Ultra Carry.

T.
I own both of the Kimbers you're looking at. The recoil difference is recognizable if I shoot them side by side and think about it in comparison terms, but from a practical point of view I consider it negligible.

The UltraCarry gives you a more compact package and one less round in the flush fitting magazine. You can use the full size magazines in it for backup magazines as long as you're aware that you can't ram them home with force or they can go too far into the magazine well and hang up the gun.

The ProCarry gives you a longer sight radius and one more shot, although the site radius on the UltraCarry is plenty functional.

Both are very accurate and very pleasant to shoot, so pick what's important to you and choose accordingly. The good news is - you can't make a bad choice here.

Then again - you could take the shoes and handbag approach and buy both to solve the dilemma...... :biggrinjester:

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