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by Excaliber
Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:03 am
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: New CHL looking for advice
Replies: 34
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Re: New CHL looking for advice

mez1st wrote:Thank you all for your thoughts and advice. I will look into the reading material and work on mental focus/stress training. .45mac.40, I agree that since I started carrying this past week, I pay much more attention to my surroundings. Brewster, I agree that mental preparation does not get enough emphasis. I hope this does not fill my mail box with hate mail but I wonder if a ten hour course on the CHL laws is enough to qualify someone to carry a firearm. The untrained unprepared could be as much a danger as the BG in a public area scenerio. I know we have the right to keep and bear arms and I intend to do so, but if like Brewster mention, a person is rattled enough to fumble when it counts target marksman won't be enough.


If you look at the historical record, CHL holders rarely screw up badly. I would take that as evidence that the 10 hour course is sufficient to enable folks so trained to carry concealed weapons safely. If the record on driver's licenses were half as good, our vehicle accident rates wouldn't be nearly as horrific as they are.

There is a big difference between being prepared to carry safely, and being prepared to manage a deadly force incident successfully. The 10 hour course, like driver's training, introduces you to a lot of areas that need much more work before competence is attained.

Whether one follows up and develops competence, or figures the need for training ends when the plastic comes in the mail is a matter of personal responsibility. When everything is rosy, it's easy to conclude that both approaches are OK. The differences become starkly apparent when the chips are down and deadly force must be used to protect life in an incident that may last only 2 - 5 seconds start to finish with no do overs, followed by an emotionally wrenching and expensive aftermath that drags on for months or years after the sound of the last shot is long gone.
by Excaliber
Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:09 pm
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: New CHL looking for advice
Replies: 34
Views: 6326

Re: New CHL looking for advice

stroo wrote:1. Proper practice ought to also prepare you mentally. In other words, you not only need to practice shooting your gun, you also need to practice Cooper's color codes by using them and various scenarios by going over them.

2. I really think this is a false dichotomy. I would rather be both cool and able to shoot accurately at the range. While if I had to choose, I would choose cool, I don't really know how to train to produce "cool"; maybe competitions and hunting would work. However, I can learn how to shoot accurately. So I work on what I can, shooting accurately. Moreover, in my experience "cool" is not a static thing. Somedays I react to problems cooly; other days I don't.
"Cool" for serious social work means two things:

1. Being able to keep your heart rate within the optimum range to limit the performance hindering effects that occur above that level.

2. Executing preplanned and preexercised tactics appropriate to the scenario you face. If you have prepared yourself this
way, you can "call up those programs" and use them successfully. Target shooting and static hunting will not
prepare you for the use voice commands / move / shoot / seek cover / control light and other tactics you need to survive a
deadly force encounter.

Be aware that cognitive skills deteriorate rapidly with accelerated heart rate. That's a fancy way of saying that you'll lose a whole bunch of IQ points for the duration of the encounter. If you're counting on being able to come up with a good plan on the spot as the situation unfolds, you should be aware that you most likely will be unable to do so because of the effects of life threatening stress on brain function. I won't bore you with the medical details, but I'd be happy to point to good reference material if anyone is interested.
by Excaliber
Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:21 am
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: New CHL looking for advice
Replies: 34
Views: 6326

Re: New CHL looking for advice

brewster wrote:
.45mac.40 wrote:I still wonder how I will react to an unforseen situation !
Mac :fire
Great point, I wonder the same thing about myself. I can only hope that if a bad situation ever occurs, I will be capable of handling the situation. Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt myself, but I don't have a crystal ball either...

Hopefully this isn't considered a thread hijack, but it is related to the topic. Two questions for everyone:

1. Do you think that "practice" is emphasized to the point where it's not in balanced with mental preperation?
2. If you had to choose, would you rather be a great shot at the range but cursed with great jitters, or someone who is cool as a cucumber with limited practice with their weapon (but competent with it) ?


I don't claim to know the answer to either question; I'd care to know the input of others. I tend to think we should strive for both, so we don't have to settle for one or the other.
Either / or won't get you out of a really bad situation. You need both.
by Excaliber
Wed Dec 24, 2008 8:49 am
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: New CHL looking for advice
Replies: 34
Views: 6326

Re: New CHL looking for advice

brewster wrote:In addition to the good advice above, I recommend that you take a look at a list of Massad Ayoob's books and select a few related to combat situations and preparedness.

I don't think the area of mental preparation gets enough emphasis...seems like most of the attention is directed to the techniques of shooting and putting holes in paper. I don't think this can be minimized at all, but there is another important element too...it's right between our ears, and most of us don't know how that thing we call our brain will react in a bad situation. I go to the range regularly, and would like to think I'm a decent shot. The question is, would I also be ready in an adrenaline-pumping situation?

I couple of years ago I pulled up behind a Geo Tracker that was on fire...all of the flames were shooting out from under the hood, and it wasn't going to be long before the whole thing went up. Anyway, I quickly got out to retrieve my fire extinguisher from of my truck's toolbox (it uses the same key as the ignition). It was almost like a dream, as the adrenaline pumped away. My hands were shaking as I fumbled with the key, forcing it into the lock. I eventually got it open, and with the help of another passer-by, put out the fire. I ended up bending the key badly and almost messed up the lock. Know what that taught me? I was mentally unprepared for the adrenaline. If I would have calmed down, thought methodically, and maintained a clear head, I would have gotten the fire extinguisher out quicker AND not messed up my key. I learned a lot that day about the effect of the brain on the body. And in this case, I wasn't even in danger (well, some, but you get the idea)! Now, translate this to a situation where I draw my weapon and I'm so rattled I can't find the safety! It wouldn't matter if I'm the best shooter in the world, I would lose!

To sum it all up, you need the 360 approach. Go to the range, become a good shot, work on your techniques, but also get the mind prepared for anything. This way, if anything unfortunate happens, you'll be prepared inside and out, and you won't "bend your key in the lock". Ayoob has written many books that will address both sides of the preparedness equation.
This post is an excellent illustration of the lower end effects of extreme stress.

Col Dave Grossman's book "On Combat" goes into these effects in detail, and explains the secret of how to control the effects by keeping your heart rate within the optimal performance range with breathing techniques. It's critical info, and it works.
by Excaliber
Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:05 am
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: New CHL looking for advice
Replies: 34
Views: 6326

Re: New CHL looking for advice

stroo wrote:As someone else said you can never be sure what you will do if the moment arrives. But you can do a bunch of things to prepare.

First, make sure that you are willing to shoot someone who is attacking you or yours. You need to be mentally prepared to do that.

Second, use silhouette targets for practice. It may sound odd but it is supposed to desensitize you to some extent against shooting humans. It also trains you where to shoot.

Three, read. Read the scenario posts on this site and others. If you have thought about what to do in particular situations, you are more likely going to respond in that way if the situation ever occurs. Read Massad Ayoob and Chris Bird's books. They will prepare you for the aftermath of a shooting. Read Jeff Cooper's books to learn the color code. There are a number of videos in the market that can also be very helpful.

Fourth, get additional hands on training. Learn how to use cover, move and shoot, etc. If you can do force on force training you might want to try that.

Fifth, take in Charles' use of deadly force presentation if at all possible. It is excellent.

Sixth, try IDPA.

Seventh, practice, practice, practice. And do it in different forms. Dry fire regularly including drawing and moving in your dry fire practice. Get an airsoft gun and practice point shooting, shooting while moving, etc. Get a .22 so that your cost of actually firing isn't that hig.

Finally, pray that you never have to use your gun.
Good advice.

I would add Lewis Awerbuck's "Tactical Reality" and Col. Dave Grossman's "On Combat" to the required reading list.

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