If all else fails, you could try memorizing the speech - it may change the outcome. Works for me.Pretty good if you can remember a speech that long without crib notes.
I have the drivers license and CHL in hand before they get to my window. Tell them where it is if asked.
Then again I always get the ticket. YMMV
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- Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:06 pm
- Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
- Topic: Stopped twice this evening..........
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Re: Stopped twice this evening..........
- Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:32 am
- Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
- Topic: Stopped twice this evening..........
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Re: Stopped twice this evening..........
Thanks for the clarification. I agree this is very reasonable.Let me explain further......
You are driving down the road...LEO is driving toward you....he either hits his lights as you pass each other then he does a u-turn or does u-turn then hits lights.....or LEO is on the side of road running radar.....as you pass you see LEO get in car and hit lights....in both cases LEO will be a good distance behind you and cant see anything you are doing inside the car.....those are times I will have IDs ready when LEO gets to my car......
If there is ANY possibility of LEO seeing me reach for ANYTHING.....I will wait till I get instructions from LEO.
In the 2 situations you describe where you can see an LEO has decided to make a stop, my preferred procedure is to pull over immediately rather than forcing him to catch up and pull me over. I then roll down the window, turn off the ignition, put the keys on the dash, turn on the dome light if at night, and put my hands clearly on the steering wheel. Once again, bad guys don't do this and it sends a message that he's probably going to be dealing with a good guy who made some kind of an innocent mistake.
It's like chicken soup - it sure can't hurt, and it just might help.
- Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:41 pm
- Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
- Topic: Stopped twice this evening..........
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Re: Stopped twice this evening..........
For that exact reason, I don't reach for anything. I keep my hands at about 11:00 and 1:00 on the wheel and wait until I've had a conversation with the officer and he / she and I are both comfortable with what I need to do next. I don't want him or her getting nervous about whether I'm reaching for my wallet, or a weapon, or trying to hide contraband, etc.I dont want the LEO to get nervous seeing me move around.
This procedure works well enough that I've had LEO's thank me for my courtesy at the end of the stop.
- Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:45 am
- Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
- Topic: Stopped twice this evening..........
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Re: Stopped twice this evening..........
You're right, it wouldn't.PD: Sir/Mam, do you know why I pulled you over?
Driver: Yes, I was speeding, by the way, I have a gun.
This would not be a good start.
How about (with hands on the steering wheel, ignition key on the dash, window, down, and dome light on if after dark):
"No, Sir/Madam (not admitting a violation before even knowing what the stop is for), but first, out of respect for your safety I want you to know that I am a CHL holder and am lawfully carrying a concealed weapon holstered behind my right hip.
My driver's license is in a wallet in my left front pocket. (It should go without saying that it's not smart to keep your DL right next to where your gun is.)
How would you like me to proceed?"
I've never seen this approach fail to receive an equally respectful response by an officer, who is well aware that only a good guy who isn't a threat will tell him he's carrying a weapon.
- Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:17 pm
- Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
- Topic: Stopped twice this evening..........
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Re: Stopped twice this evening..........
These were very professionally handled on both sides. Kudos to all involved.Both GREAT stops
Do get the headlight fixed pronto, though. Besides safety, it's a matter of respect for both the law and the officers. If one of the same officers who stopped you sees you with the same light out in a couple of days, he's likely to take a dim (sorry!) view of it and you'll likely receive a souvenier.
The way LEO's look at it, good guys take the courteous advice, get the message, and get it fixed. Doing so also helps preserve the "presumed good guy" status of CHL holders for others.