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Never shot them in .40 S&W but what I can tell you is that I have shot these in 10mm and they are wicked!http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalo ... cts_id=435 Ran slower then advertised at 1580fps (I have found that the load data and what all the high performance guys run in barnes are the most consistently inflated, I assume they are not accounting for less powder space because there is no way this will do 1600 from my stock barrel.) over my 6in barrel but complete expansion with every round. They supposedly penetrate around 15 inch from what DT says. I just wanted to see if the hollowpoint would actually stay together at those velocities. Yes, it does! I only loaded a 10 round mag and every time I shot it I said "buck 50" because that is how much it cost per shot after shipping. I still have 40 of them in my safe.

Here is what it does. I don't see the need unless you have a really short barrel. I don't see the need. But it's your money.

http://www.shootingillustrated.com/inde ... es-tac-xp/

I would go with these. Better for the money, if you want Barnes.

http://www.shootingillustrated.com/inde ... es-tac-xp/

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_i ... point-ammo

Keith- Barnes did just start selling loaded ammo but they JUST started this a few months ago and I don't think they have it for many calibers yet. Keith is right Corbon is the one to make this bullet famous! Here is a link to the new Barnes loaded ammo http://www.midwayusa.com/product/968681 ... -box-of-20

They also sell it in 44 mag and 45 LC it seems.

Opps. Thats the xPB not TAC.

http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/b ... mmunition/ Yeah, XPB only scroll down to bottom. My bad only hunting loads for the magnums!

I was going to ask you if those RBCD rounds might be low grain copper rounds because of the penetration claims. But yes Barnes bullets are great for many things. The two most common purposes for handguns are short barrel handguns or high velocity hollowpoints. The stay together every time and expand as good as any hollowpoint, including the gold dot. Only down side is the bullet is long per grain compared to lead so you can't pack as much powder in the cartridge. This is why they usually run slower fps then a conventional jhp of the same grain. Oh yeah and they cost a ton! Copper isn't cheap!

If you want a bullet that penetrates, expands at pretty much all barrel lengths and does not fragment the Barnes bullet is the way to go, if you can afford it! But for most service caliber firearms with a 4in barrel or better it is really not needed.

Also, I am limited to hunting in white tail, mule deer and pigs. If someone can explain to me why I would want to use a frag round that leaves a lot of small pieces in all that meat when I harvest it? Won't that just tear up all that yummy venison and be a pain to get it all out?

So how far is that supposed to penetrate in the gel block? Because just looking at the box of truth test in water there is no way any of these rounds are going to penetrate anymore then 8inch in gel at the farthest point. For comparison here is a 10mm load I shoot but don't carry DT 135grain Nosler JHP runs 1670 average over my 6in barrel. But here it is from a factory barrel. http://www.shootingillustrated.com/inde ... osler-jhp/

Also here is Glaser in .45acp http://www.shootingillustrated.com/inde ... fety-slug/

There site says 11-12 inch of penetration for those two loads you showed us. I don't see that happening in gel. Water maybe but not gel.

Not unless they are uranium depleted rounds!

I am sorry but I just won't drink the Kool-aid.

Well I have found this back and forth a little funny. I have been watching this the last few days and after looking at the website I would want to see actual footage of ballistic gelatin tests! Most frag. rounds don't even penetrate 6inch regardless of caliber an these guys have some going over 12inch. I also read that testimonial thing. What a bunch of poop. Anybody who has shot an animal or God forbid a human knows they don't just flip in the air. File this under all the other frag. rounds. Could it take the fight out of someone? Sure it could but I won’t bet my life on it. This is in the same realm as bird shot or light for caliber hollowpoints. Once again go heavy or go home.

Edit: FBI recommends 12in but as far as I am concerned I wouldn't carry anything that penetrates less then 10in. Some of the best hollow points on the market can't do that and expand in smaller center fire handgun calibers. That's why I ditched my .380 as a backup and got a .38. Penetration and a greater sectional density is a good thing as long as the hollow point can still open, The more the merrier.

I am with TAM on most of the BB and DT stuff. Yes it is hotter but if you run that stuff over a chronograph (which I have many times) they are almost always lower then rated! Also they get more extreme spreads in fps. The big companies have less standard deviation then some of the hot BB and DT. I assume it is the powder they use but when I ran my 10mm ammo over a chronograph stuff like Hornady and Remington always came within 20fps+or- but the BB and DT could be off as much as 150fps from shot to shot with the same load.

Quality of bullet used is number one then you can fight over the 50-125fps difference from the hot stuff!

I usually buy whatever is on sale that is a quality American made hollowpoint for most of my handguns.

I would say the number 1 ammo(bullet) that I use in hollow point is the Hornady XTP. Never had one not expand!

I have Gold dots, Golden sabers, Barnes bullets, PDX1, Hydra shock etc. I have them all but IMO the xtp is the best for the money!

Let me put it this way, in every caliber handgun I own I have at least xtp ammo for it I can't say that for the other ammo I mentioned.

Gold dots are good but they are very expensive and I only use them in snub nose because they expand well or in my 10mm because they tend to stay together better then Golden sabers and noslers. xtp are probably the best for hot 10mm loads, that or the barnes. They always stay together at higher velocities!