Actually the Swartz safety does not affect the trigger at all because it is a grip safety activated device. The 80's series on Colt, Sigs, Remington, etc.. are trigger actived safety that will affect the quality of the trigger. A competent 1911 can remedy that with little issue. The problem with Swartz safety is when the operator putting the slide and frame back together while activating the grip safety. Not knowing, many will damage the plunger that will activate the FPS on the slide. This or the user not depressing the grip safety enough will induce a type 1 malfunction which gives you a click instead of a bang. Also, if you can eliminate that one in a million chance of it malfunctioning on you because of the FPS, wouldn't you?The Annoyed Man wrote:
Regarding firing pin safety devices: I do have to say though that when I owned my Kimber, it had a great trigger, and I am unable to tell the difference between the OEM trigger on my old Kimber, with its firing pin safety, and the smoothed and lightened trigger on my Springfield, with no firing pin device at all. Both have a nice crisp let-off at about 4-4.5 lb of pull, and there is no practical difference between the two. I think that all the hyperventilation about how "terrible" a firing pin safety makes the trigger feel, it is exactly that—hyperventilation. In the real world, particularly that subset of the real world known as "active shooter scenario," literally nobody can tell the difference. In my mind, the only real issue with a firing pin safety in a 1911 pistol is that it has the potential, however small, to fail in such a way as to disable the gun. That never really bothered me, but it might bother some. (In other designs which cannot "cock and lock," all bets are off and I would not carry one that did not have such a device.)
My 2¢. YMMV.
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- Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:51 am
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- Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:30 am
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Re: Recommendations for 1911 (under $1000)
The only Kimber that is true 70's series design is the Super Carry series. I'm not a big fan of FPS either as it is more things to break. It's all about KISS. Also all Springfields are 70's series design except for that pesky lock on the main spring housing. LOLextremist wrote: Yet the 1911 design managed to work fine up until the 80's when the lawyers got involved at Colt and required some sort of firing pin/drop safety be incorporated.
Previously spec'd "Special Forces" 1911 pistols like the Kimber issued to Marine Force Recon did not have one nor did the Kimbers purchased by SIS in LA and later issued for civilian purchases didn't have the Series II FPS. http://www.survivalmonkey.com/threads/o ... icqb.3268/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The problem with doing it on a 1911 is that it usually affects the trigger pull and to do it with a grip safety requires some sort of lever mechanism to activate it. You can google "swartz safety" and "Series 80 safety" for more info. The Colt Series 80 mechanism is quite complicated and is a major pain to disassemble and reassemble correctly.
- Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:46 pm
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Re: Recommendations for 1911 (under $1000)
Springfield Loaded
Springfield Range Officer
Used Springfield TRP
STI Spartan
Metro Arms American Classic
No necessarily in that order.
Springfield Range Officer
Used Springfield TRP
STI Spartan
Metro Arms American Classic
No necessarily in that order.