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srothstein wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:52 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:10 pm

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:06 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:41 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:24 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:58 pm https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/ ... e-charges/

Grand jury decides not to indict volunteer who shot church shooter dead with some of the best under stress marksmanship we have seen.

DA said they made the right decision.

I’m sort of surprised that this was sent to a grand jury. Is it required?

Legally this invokes Double Jeopardy.
It's a good thing, but costly.

Unfortunately, jeopardy does not attach. Some cases are submitted to successive grand juries trying to an indictment.

Chas.

Big Question, Could that be something that can be passed into Texas Law? Where by if a Grand jury fails to indict or no bills an individual they are no longer in jeopardy?

I haven't researched to see if there is a constitutional issue involved, but I think the answer is yes. I think it should be a one-shot for the state. I also think jeopardy should attach when a case is tried to a hung jury. The state should get one attempt to convict someone. If they can't convince 12 jurors the defendant is guilty then, in my view, they have failed to meet the burden of proof.

Chas.

I am not sure that jeopardy attaching at a grand jury is a good thing. The grand jury is to determine probable cause for a trial and if it isn't there, the police may be able to develop it and bring the case back later. Just think about the cold cases where new science shows something and helps make the case. A suspect in an older case might have been no-billed at the time and now DNA proves it up. I am not saying it shouldn't be looked into because I have seen the current system abused (one case where the DA took an off-duty officer involved in a shooting to four grand juries in a row before he got an indictment). I am just saying I have doubts about it and it should be thoroughly checked.

But I am 100% in agreement with the hung jury idea. I have never understood how that concept came about. I understand why they need to convince all 12 to convict, but why does a not guilty verdict have to be unanimous also. I agree with Charles, if they cannot convince all 12, they did not meet the burden and the accused should be found not guilty and the case is over.

ELB wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:54 pm Why on earth did that take so long? Holy smokes. Commie flu or not, this was not a legally difficult nor complicated case. It was as well documented as you couldwish.

OneGun wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:19 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:58 pm https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/ ... e-charges/

Grand jury decides not to indict volunteer who shot church shooter dead with some of the best under stress marksmanship we have seen.

DA said they made the right decision.

I’m sort of surprised that this was sent to a grand jury. Is it required?

The Grand Jury decision was a no Brainer. Even a Liberal could understand it.

WildBill wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:30 am

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:25 pm The guy who took out the trash was a trained shooter.


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Some more information about Jack Wilson
https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/jack-wilson/

The shooting occurred at the church in White Settlement, Texas, a community located a few miles from Fort Worth. Authorities said an armed parishioner also shot the gunman at the same time as Wilson.

“The suspect is deceased, and the threat has stopped thanks to the heroic action of those two parishioners at the church,” White Settlement Police Chief J.P. Bevering said at a news conference. The second parishioner has not been named.

Scott B. wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:42 am

Keith B wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:15 pm The parishioner who was shot was trying to draw from concealment. He made a couple of mistakes; letting the gunman see him drawing and standing still. To quote Clint Smith: "If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. If you're not loadin, you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut your head off and put it on a stick."

Watching the video it was heartbreaking to watch. Don't let that man's example be forgotten. He had all the right intentions...

powerboatr wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:04 pm

bbhack wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:03 pm I dl'ed the video before it was removed, if anyone wants a copy.

why was video taken down? it looks like a good training video on you tube

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:25 pm The guy who took out the trash was a trained shooter.


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