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philip964 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:56 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:36 pm

puma guy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:29 pm

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:07 am

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:28 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:59 pm https://www.yahoo.com/gma/former-dallas ... 00843.html

Her appeal will be heard. Judge in the instructions did not mention the officer could have believed she was in her apartment or something like that.

I still find it absolutely weird that about 1/7th of the residents who were asked if they had gone to the wrong apartment said they had.

My understanding is the residents were not allowed to paint the doors or put any distinguishing features on them per apartment management

I worked at an apartment complex as a maintenance man. There were 8 buildings and with 200 apartments. There were three brands of entry lock sets for which I had master keys. One time I was entering an apartment to do some work and I inadvertently used my apartment key, which was on the same key ring. The lock opened and it was then I realized I had done used my key. Out of curiosity I checked the back up keys in the cabinet for all the apartments. There were many keys that were the same as other apartments. Not just one or two, many. I didn't do a count, but probably only 10-12 different keys for each brand.

Some 35-40 years ago we lived in a Fox and Jacobs house in Plano. They had maybe four or five different house designs. No less than two or three times a month someone was trying to unlock my door with their keys. I must have pulled into the wrong driveway once or twice a month. The darned houses all looked alike. It was surprisingly easy to get confused about what part of the block you were on. I can imagine how easy an apartment like that would be to confuse.

I was at Whataburger. Returning to my White midsized SUV that looks like every other white midsized SUV there was an unused parking space to left of my SUV. I open the driver door and scare the living daylights out of the guy (who could have been a gang banger) sitting in the driver seat listening to the radio. It scared the words not acceptable on this forum out of me as well. I immediately apologized, as he was still trying to calm down. I said my car looks just like this and proceeded to get in the correct SUV that was right next to him.

Usually when I made this mistake the wrong car door is locked. I now have a ribbon tied to the door handle.

My understanding at Home Depot and Loews, the deadbolt door locks are keyed with like only 10 key cuts.

puma guy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:29 pm

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:07 am

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:28 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:59 pm https://www.yahoo.com/gma/former-dallas ... 00843.html

Her appeal will be heard. Judge in the instructions did not mention the officer could have believed she was in her apartment or something like that.

I still find it absolutely weird that about 1/7th of the residents who were asked if they had gone to the wrong apartment said they had.

My understanding is the residents were not allowed to paint the doors or put any distinguishing features on them per apartment management

I worked at an apartment complex as a maintenance man. There were 8 buildings and with 200 apartments. There were three brands of entry lock sets for which I had master keys. One time I was entering an apartment to do some work and I inadvertently used my apartment key, which was on the same key ring. The lock opened and it was then I realized I had done used my key. Out of curiosity I checked the back up keys in the cabinet for all the apartments. There were many keys that were the same as other apartments. Not just one or two, many. I didn't do a count, but probably only 10-12 different keys for each brand.

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:07 am

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:28 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:59 pm https://www.yahoo.com/gma/former-dallas ... 00843.html

Her appeal will be heard. Judge in the instructions did not mention the officer could have believed she was in her apartment or something like that.

I still find it absolutely weird that about 1/7th of the residents who were asked if they had gone to the wrong apartment said they had.

My understanding is the residents were not allowed to paint the doors or put any distinguishing features on them per apartment management

WildBill wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:18 pm

The city of Dallas won’t be held liable for the death of Botham Jean, a federal district judge ruled this week.
U.S. District Judge Barbara Lynn dismissed the city from a civil lawsuit filed by Jean’s family. Jean, a black man
from St. Lucia living in Dallas, was killed in his own home by Amber Guyger, a white off-duty police officer, on Sept. 6, 2018.

Though the lawsuit did not seek a specific amount, Guyger is now the only defendant in the civil lawsuit filed in 2018,
making a high-dollar settlement unlikely.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2019/12 ... ans-death/

carlson1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:30 pm

WildBill wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:18 pm I have been reading some news reports about the shooting of Botham Jean and many of them
reveal that he was eating vanilla ice cream in his apartment when he was shot and killed.
Am I reading too much into this or would it have mattered if he was eating chocolate ice cream?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/us/dalla ... index.html

He had just smoked marijuana with the neighbor who was killed a week or so back. I guess the marijuana gave him the munchies and the ice cream was a fix.

WildBill wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:18 pm I have been reading some news reports about the shooting of Botham Jean and many of them
reveal that he was eating vanilla ice cream in his apartment when he was shot and killed.
Am I reading too much into this or would it have mattered if he was eating chocolate ice cream?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/us/dalla ... index.html

oljames3 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:52 am This is a cautionary tale in many respects. One that stands out to me is that should I be force to use my self-defense handgun, I will be; 1) in fear for my life, 2) under extreme stress, 3) deciding and acting in seconds. Conversely, the jury will be; 1) in complete safety and relative comfort, 2) under relatively little stress, 3) deciding and acting in hours/days/weeks. What seemed reasonable to me in the moment may not appear reasonable to the jury in hindsight.

C-dub wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:28 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:41 pm

C-dub wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:32 pm The problem I have with all of those "could haves" is the next time someone does shoot someone in their own home will some of those "could haves" be applied to them? If she were in her own apartment with the same outcome, would they have gone down that road? She had no legal requirement to retreat or call for back up, 911 for us, did she? Would a prosecutor attempt to put that requirement on us?

These are the things that bother me about this trial and the prosecutor's tactics.

That does not worry me because the could haves don't apply when defending ones own home. It was not her home. Thinking it is doesn't cut it and should not be OK. Her actions were in no way analogous to a person exercising their rights under the castle doctrine. Not even close.

Let's be real here. She walked into someone elses home and killed them. End of story. That is and always should be punishable by time in jail at the least. Put yourself in his place rather than hers.

I didn’t state my issues with all this very well. What I was really trying to get at was all about the mistake of fact stuff. She was unable to convince the jury that she really thought she was in her own apartment. Then she had the horrible testimony where she affirmed that her intention was to kill him.

My issue with the mistake of fact in this and possible future cases is when someone really is in fear for their life even when it is determined later that their life wasn’t really in any danger at all. The easiest example is when someone points an air soft gun at an LEO. The LEO(s) shoots and kills the air soft armed idiot and nothing happens to the LEO(s).

Am I over analyzing this?

carlson1 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:34 pm

Grayling813 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:26 pm

WildBill wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:01 pm

ELB wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:11 pm

WildBill wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:00 pm ...
If he didn't have any arrests I don't think they would know.

I Bing'ed his name for Texas arrests, turns out "Joshua Brown" is a VERY popular name under which to be arrested. Too many for me to sort through.

I don't know the laws in Texas, but usually the attorney can impeach a witness if they are a felon.

Another reason for a higher court to declare the verdict void and to be retried?

If I was Guyger I don’t know that I would want to gamble that 10 year sentence and serving just 5 years. If she is retired and again on murder it is possible she would get double the 10 or more.

Police said when they searched Brown's apartment, they confiscated 12 pounds of marijuana, 143 grams of THC cartridges and $4,000 in cash.

Scott B. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:17 pm

Scott B. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:50 am Could be random, could be bad luck, could be the people he procured his herb from were less than stellar citizens.

And the early verdict, "Killed in a drug deal." In this exchange, looks like he was the seller and not the buyer.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/speci ... urces-say/

C-dub wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:32 pm The problem I have with all of those "could haves" is the next time someone does shoot someone in their own home will some of those "could haves" be applied to them? If she were in her own apartment with the same outcome, would they have gone down that road? She had no legal requirement to retreat or call for back up, 911 for us, did she? Would a prosecutor attempt to put that requirement on us?

These are the things that bother me about this trial and the prosecutor's tactics.

Ruark wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:39 pm Watch the cross - notice the DA's approach, and again, something to keep in mind if you're ever on trial for shooting somebody. He kept repeating "you COULD have..." You COULD have taken cover, and she answered "I could have." You COULD have called for backup... and so on. So he paints a picture of all these things she COULD have done, but didn't, and as a result, an innocent man is dead, etc. etc.

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:52 am

Redneck_Buddha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:27 am

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:42 am

Dave2 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:34 pm

Ruark wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:42 am

I just have a hard time with her not understanding she was on the wrong floor and wrong apartment.

Other aspects of the case notwithstanding, this is completely understandable. I've made this mistake myself in the past, in apartments and hotels where all the floors, hallways, doors, etc. are identical. After 5,000 times, walking to your door just becomes automatic, especially when you're exhausted from a 14 hour shift. The elevator door opens, you step out, turn left, walk to the third door and go in. You could do it blindfolded. If the elevator HAPPENS to open on the next floor, it's very easy to not notice.

Eh, sorta? Two floors are rarely identical. At least in the apartment complexes I’ve lived in or been to, once people have been inhabiting it long enough, there are typically clues like different welcome mats, door decorations, or maybe someone has a potted plant out front or something. And if the stair case/elevator is near a window, the view can be drastically different depending on the height/appearance of neighboring buildings.

How aware you need to be to notice such things obviously depends on the details. Coming off a 14-hour shift would certainly not help.

Per the Texas Ranger that did the investigation he went to the wrong Apartment on three separate occasions, he had statements from 93 residents that stated they had gone to the wrong apartment, the Texas Ranger stated that neither the floors or apartments were marked! This has been my question all along why did she not note that the furniture was different or layed out different, just seems peculiar to me.

What's worse is that the judge failed to allow the jurors to be made aware of this.

Ok here is a question for Charles or anybody that is legality educated, why would a judge not allow this information to be known? Seems that tidbit would go to a fair and balanced trial? Seems her defense attorney would have pushed this and this could be part and parcel to an appeal!

Paladin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:01 am

philip964 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:37 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -says.html

Assassinated lawyer says.

Refuses to rule out police involvement!

False flag?

Brown had no criminal history, nothing stolen, "no suspects or motives"... beyond the obvious. Once again Dallas makes international news. No matter what anyone says, truthfully DPD's reputation is taking a dramatic turn for the worse here. Whoever murdered Brown deserves a lot more than 10 years.