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The Annoyed Man wrote:

Excaliber wrote:That laziness is why I don't own a .380. If I did, I'd sometimes carry it. If I needed to use it, I'd kick myself for not carrying something more capable for the rest of my life, which in that situation might well be measured in seconds.

Quoting the famous Jeff Cooper:

As we used to teach in the spook business, carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it you may shoot it. If you shoot it you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody - and he finds out about it - he may be very angry with you.

clarionite wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

clarionite wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Excaliber wrote:That laziness is why I don't own a .380. If I did, I'd sometimes carry it. If I needed to use it, I'd kick myself for not carrying something more capable for the rest of my life, which in that situation might well be measured in seconds.

It's much less complicated to not own one and keep temptation at bay.

I have been thinking about this comment for a week or so. It is true. I never had a real problem concealing my 9mm, but after my son got his Kahr P380, I just had to have one. I don't feel the least bit of confidence in this weapon as a good self defense caliber. Just as Excaliber posted, I occasionally throw this thing in my pocket out of pure laziness. It is typically those times when I need to run a quick errand and I just don't feel like holstering up. It would not take me 2 extra minutes to put a holster with my PM9 on my waist but the temptation of throwing that mouse gun in my pocket is just too strong.

And I'm quite the opposite.

I carry what's most comfortable for me. Well let me clarify that... What's most comfortable to wear.

How are you the opposite of me? You said exactly what I said. You just held your lips different as you said it.

I'm the opposite as I don't feel the temptation to grab a smaller gun because it's there. I'll holster up before I pocket carry. I guess if I were in PJ's that wouldn't hold up a holster I might put the .380 in my pocket to go to the front yard to check out a noise. But more than likely if I felt the the need to check something out in my front yard I wouldn't worry about the PJ's or concealing so I'd take either the 40 or the .357

Didn't mean to offend anybody with the comment. I just felt that my thought process on a pocket gun was the opposite because I didn't feel the temptation to carry something smaller just because it was there. I went through several holsters before I found one that I was 100% happy with. If I wasn't so happy with my set up though, I might do the same. Again, sorry to offend anybody if I did.

03Lightningrocks wrote:LOL... I didn't mean to get the whole mouse gun debate going. I was just agreeing with Excaliber that having a mouse gun will inevitably lead to one grabbing it due to ease of carry.

To answer speedsix... it is not accuracy that I worry about. I am very proficient with my mouse gun as I am with all my carry weapons. My concern has to do with the size of the hole it makes and the amount of penetration of the round. I have no intention of entering a "five gun" competition with it but at self defense ranges, accuracy and follow up is not an issue.

speedsix wrote:...many who carry "mouseguns" use for their argument that accuracy is vastly important...and "a hit beats a miss"...truly enough...if you are proficient with the .380 and accuracy is not a problem, then why would you say "I don't feel the least bit of confidence in this weapon as a good self-defense caliber"??? and more importantly to your safety...why would you opt to carry a gun that you feel this way about???

clarionite wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Excaliber wrote:That laziness is why I don't own a .380. If I did, I'd sometimes carry it. If I needed to use it, I'd kick myself for not carrying something more capable for the rest of my life, which in that situation might well be measured in seconds.

It's much less complicated to not own one and keep temptation at bay.

I have been thinking about this comment for a week or so. It is true. I never had a real problem concealing my 9mm, but after my son got his Kahr P380, I just had to have one. I don't feel the least bit of confidence in this weapon as a good self defense caliber. Just as Excaliber posted, I occasionally throw this thing in my pocket out of pure laziness. It is typically those times when I need to run a quick errand and I just don't feel like holstering up. It would not take me 2 extra minutes to put a holster with my PM9 on my waist but the temptation of throwing that mouse gun in my pocket is just too strong.

And I'm quite the opposite.

I carry what's most comfortable for me. Well let me clarify that... What's most comfortable to wear.

Excaliber wrote:That laziness is why I don't own a .380. If I did, I'd sometimes carry it. If I needed to use it, I'd kick myself for not carrying something more capable for the rest of my life, which in that situation might well be measured in seconds.

It's much less complicated to not own one and keep temptation at bay.