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Oldgringo wrote:

usa1 wrote:tomball pawn had a whole bunch of .45acp 100rd winchester value packs-$47.99 , and a bunch of 9mm . i rarely have trouble getting it there, if im willing to pay a little more.
im pretty well stocked up , so im not going to be purchasing any time soon.

Is that the same .45 acp in WWB that Wal-Mart sells for $32 ?

My walmart sells it for 29.99 . They probably bought it from Walmart. The guys at the walmart by me said they were getting wiped out by the local gun dealers for a month or so. Now that they have a limit, it isn't happening so much. One of the clerks told me that there were two guys that would be waiting every morning to get first grabs at the new shipment.

Oldgringo wrote: BTW, diesel goes up $0.10/gal. every hundred miles above Dumas.

I am teetering on the verge of being off topic here but I filled up today and am still bothered. Diesel is starting to creep up in the DFW/North Dallas area too. Every time I fill up it goes up again....urrrrrgh.

tfrazier wrote:

flynbenny wrote:B&S Guns in Garland for one. A box of 50 umc 40SW 180gr FMJ $39.99, split from a 250 rd $76 wallyworld bulkpack no less. Box of 20 Speer Gold dot 40SW, $50. My local store in Euless is selling them for half of that price, and they aren't buying walmart ammo and rebagging it. Oh and they have plenty on their shelf.

Now THAT really is gouging. Buying from a retailer and re-shelving at your own store for a second mark-up? I'm all for supporting mom & pop stores...except when they fail to support their own customers.

If they are really doing this, it stinks so high it deserves a news story. Anyone got real evidence? I'd love a photo of this stuff on their shelves so I can go interview the owners and get their explanation.

Don't have video but the clerks at wally world have made the comment on a couple occasions about Bullet trap buying ammo there. I really can't see why they would do this. Surely a gun dealer can get better prices than buying from wally world. They would have all the same distributor connections as wally world. I dunno, but Academy and Wally world in plano off of central have both spoken of Bullet trap guys stalking the stores first thing in the morning.

Liberty wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Seriously folks.....there is no way this situation isn't going to implode on itself. Think about all the folks that are going to stop buying ammo at some point. We are talking 10's of thousands of folks that are going to wake up and realize just how stupid it is having enough ammo to supply a regiment. These folks are out of the ammo market for years to come. Most people go shooting a few times a year. Those of us that go once a week or more are in the minority.

I think I will relax about all this and wait it out.

If just rumors that are not verifiable nor that even make sense can cause just such a run, what would happen if something real were to happen? I got caught flat footed with this shortage. No money no time and no space to catch try to hoard. I am resolved though that once I am home, and catch my breath with expenses that I'm going to be a hoarder. I really hate not being able to go to the range because I don't have enough ammo. I've been able to buy 200 rounds since January in 2 trips. 100 rounds at Wally world and 100 rounds at Academy. Both times all they had was some shotgun shells and 9mm. I think 9mm and 22s are the most available handgun rounds. My salt water washed ammo is actually starting to look tempting.

I think I see where our perspectives might be different...LOL. I have been a hoarder for a few years. Not really because I was worried it would all be outlawed, but more because I like getting "deals". I shoot mostly 9mm in handgun and in black gun 223. I also use 7.62x39. Anytime i found any of these available for case pricing that looked like a good deal....I bought it. Over the years I developed quite the stockpile . In October last year, I started worrying about the socialist party getting into office so I picked up a few extra cases in honor of our socialist members of society. Now I have the luxairy of being able to hold off on some of these high prices. If I had some great insight to how bad it was going to get, I would have doubled my supplies.

I sure hope prices come back down. I am afraid that so many folks are thinking in hindsight like you are that as supplies try to build up, more and more are going to want to "stock up" for the next time. I agree that if the threat was real, this would get real ugly.

Given enough time the libs will regulate bacon and eggs. Everyone should have their fair share after all. You and I should pay double and the people sitting on their rumps, too lazy to work, will get bacon and eggs for free.

Seriously folks.....there is no way this situation isn't going to implode on itself. Think about all the folks that are going to stop buying ammo at some point. We are talking 10's of thousands of folks that are going to wake up and realize just how stupid it is having enough ammo to supply a regiment. These folks are out of the ammo market for years to come. Most people go shooting a few times a year. Those of us that go once a week or more are in the minority.

I think I will relax about all this and wait it out.

Oldgringo wrote:

jeeperbryan wrote:Speak of the devil. Check out CNN.com. The main article is about ammo shortage :)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/04/ammo.s ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If Larry King and Wolf Blitzer say it, it must be true. Maybe we can get a confirming report from MSNBC?

The truth will out.

I would like to nominate Cheaper Than Dirt ammo thieves of the year. Those guys will never see another dime of my money, not that they care. They seem to take price increases to a whole new level.

GaryTx wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:I did not realize the conspiracy theorists were serious. I thought you fellers were making a joke. It is obvious this is not some manipulated shortage. It is simple supply/demand at work. Ammo manufacturers ARE NOT charging any more for ammo than they would have charged a year ago. Now the dealers are making some extra money....but manufacturers are simply beyond their capacity and know that this blip will end at some point and they don't want to be caught with ammo they can't unload.

I have to disagree...PMC 9mm FMJ that I was buying from Natchez a two months ago for $11.88 a box is selling today for $16.99. The .380 Auto FMJ that I buy regularly (untill recently) has gone up over 40% in the last two months. Not all of that increase is due to dealers jacking up the price. The manufacturers are increasing prices just as the dealers are.

I submit as proof the fact that WWB is selling today at Wally World for the same price it was selling for last year. Natchez is one of the folks gouging people. Not that I would deny them the American dream. If the manufacturers were doing this, the price increases would be the same at Wally World as it is Natchez. But it is not. Wally World isn't taking a hit on every box of ammo they sell. Wally World uses NO emotion when they price merchandise. they use a formula that uses the cost of the item to them. Every bit of that increase at Natchez is dealer profit.

I have to edit my post. Just looking at Natchez and some of their prices are not bad compared to what some of the online ammo sellers are getting. problem is it is all out of stock.

tfrazier wrote:I'm just wondering how many folks have gotten their final nudge into reloading as a result of the shortage.

I, for instance, got back into reloading after an eighteen year hiatus because I couldn't find enough ammo to satisfy my range habit. Then, when I couldn't find bullets for my reloader, I got into casting.

That means I'm out of the market from now on for factory ammo, at least for my primary practice and carry weapons.

If a lot of other folks have responded in the same manner, there should be a higher demand for reloading supplies at the close of this shortage, and slightly less demand for factory ammo...right?

I'm thinking it will be a good thing, at least for a while. Stores will respond by stocking my reloading supplies, some stores will probably start carrying reloading supplies that didn't previously, and factory ammo may even have a small price decline as a result.

Yep, I can see Sam Elliot in "We Were Soldiers" passing me in the court yard saying, "What are you now, an economist?"

Sounds familiar. I have a single stage RCBS rock chucker setup. I haven't reloaded in 20 years or more. I have been considering this option as well. The only thing I would need to start the process is powder, primers and bullets. There seems to be a shortage of these components as well.

I did not realize the conspiracy theorists were serious. I thought you fellers were making a joke. It is obvious this is not some manipulated shortage. It is simple supply/demand at work. Ammo manufacturers ARE NOT charging any more for ammo than they would have charged a year ago. Now the dealers are making some extra money....but manufacturers are simply beyond their capacity and know that this blip will end at some point and they don't want to be caught with ammo they can't unload.

mr surveyor wrote:and now that the manufacturers, distributors and dealers have seen that the "public" is willing to pay these (often 200% or more) inflated prices, will they still return to the already over inflated pre-election prices?


surv

I wonder this myself. I think they will be forced to drop the prices as supplies increase. Hope so anyway.

Here is an interesting take on the shortage from a law enforcement viewpoint.


http://www.policeone.com/police-product ... -shortage/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Keith B wrote:I really don't think there is any conspiracy here as many are trying to make to out to be. It is simply a factor of two things; higher demand and volume buying/stockpiling.

We saw a large increase in people buying guns, many who either were inactive or never even have owned before. New guns and gun owners means a higher demand for ammo in general. Also, the fear that the Obama administration wants to try and extremely tax ammo, stamp the cases, etc. is causing many folks to panic buy and stockpile due to the fear of higher prices or it not being available any longer. The demand has simply overran the manufacturers production capabilities and they can't keep up. It takes time to ramp up the production volumes, so every bit they make ships out and gets sold out almost immediately.

Give it another few months and the revenues from the amount they have been selling will allow them to increase production. Also, as folks get their stockpiles built up, the demand will slow and we will start seeing ammo available again, just like the reappearance of the elusive and thought to be nearing extinction AR-15.

HankB wrote:If it's simply a matter of people hoarding the ammo, then a lot of new garages must be getting built, since the shortage has gone on so long the horder's original garage must be overflowing by now.

I talk to some dealers and they claim that their suppliers aren't getting ammo from the factories in the usual quantities . . . and the shortage is so pervasive and widespread that a week or two back, it hit the front page of the Austin paper.

I figured it was just the Obama buying panic, but as things keep on, and as I hear from those in the business that the ammo simply doesn't seem to be entering the market, I'm beginning to wonder . . .

I had an interesting conversation with someone working at a local gun shop/range. I brought up the suppliers as a possible cause. He pointed out something I had not considered. Before the panic set in, gun shops and sporting goods stores had stock sitting on the shelves. When new shipments came in, it went into the stock room. The suppliers were not trying to spread the ammo amongst every single store in the whole United States. They could send a few cases here and there. A few boxes here and there. Even if your local Wally World got no ammo for a week or two....no big deal. The average guy would not even know it. They all had stock in the store rooms. Now that all the stored up stocks have been wiped out, the suppliers are now trying to restock more stores than their production can keep up with. It takes a pretty hefty investment to ramp up production to triple or quadruple your normal rate. The ammo manufacturers are surely aware that this demand will subside, just like high oil prices, in due time and don't want to increase their capacity and not be able to support it when the paranoia dries up.

kingalls wrote:

Greybeard wrote:There's no "ammo shortage" in the country. It's in the gun safes. closets, garages, and sheds of at least 48% of the population old enough to buy it. With more stored under the beds of many of those who are not.

A bunch of old white guys cleaned the ammo shelves. Wish I bought an 18 wheeler load of ammo two years ago instead of this Citigroup stock.

Old white guys??? I have seen old black guys buying guns and ammo too. As a matter of fact, I have seen more black guys in the gun stores the past 6 months than I have in the 20 years previous to this all added together. Most of the ammo hogs I am observing...of which I proudly claim membership status...are middle age white guys. most old guys are not stupid enough to fall for this temporary ignorance and get taken to the cleaners on ammo. Age does that for you......makes you wiser.

One issue I am finding interesting is that every....and I mean every...ammo transaction of large quantity that I have witnessed, is being paid for with credit cards. Yeah...I know there are exceptions...but stock piling over priced ammo would be a little harder for most folks if they had to pay for it out of their monthly budgets.

I don't think this panic is relegated to any one segment. That is why it is so dramatic. Blacks...whites...hispanics...asians....males...females..old...young.....all are worried about premier Obama and the rest of his socialist regime. Panic creates more panic and it just keeps feeding on itself. Clerks at these stores are also creating panic with some of their bull butter stories. I have listened to idiots working gun stores tell people there is already a 500% tax on ammo enacted and due to start later in the year. It makes me want to pinch off their heads and spit down their necks. I have made a habit lately out of openly disputing them right in front of their customers. This silliness is beginning to work on my last nerve.