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dihappy wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:I am willing to take the bet that if I blast a pit bull that is mauling my dog BECAUSE THE OWNER OF THE PIT BULL WOULD NOT STOP THE ATTACK....I would walk. The reason....BECAUSE THE OWNER OF THE PIT BULL WOULD NOT STOP THE ATTACK. This little detail makes all the difference in the world.

PS.....in Plano Texas....you will have a better chance getting a democrat elected than you will finding a jury that will rule in favor of a pit bull owner. Like I said...I'll take that bet and blast your dog...UNLESS....UNLESS you are making an attempt to stop it. If you think I would stand there while you allowed your dog to teach me a lesson...LOL...get ready for a rude awakening.

LOL, hope your not having a bad day cuz im sure it be mighty difficult to get a shot at two dogs rolling around in the dirt. If your lucky, you wont hit your dog with that bullet. If i were the leashed dog owner, i would tell the judge that your dog was about to attack ME and my dog was defending me :)

tfrazier wrote:I applaud the initiator of this thread for his heroic efforts to save his puppy at his own risk. The fact that he was armed but did not go to extremes is commendable. The fault for cause of the incident notwithstanding; the actions taken DURING the incident were appropriate, IMHO.

As a CHL holder and a person who has had well behaved and friendly pit bull family members for the past 30 years, I would love to see how some folks would react to this story if the breed of the dog involved were never mentioned.

Would anyone change their mind about the whole scenario? Just wondering how much some of us have bought into the media hype over the breed.

Meanwhile, my current Pit Bull, my American Mastiff, and my mutt all stay within a yard that has a 180' long, three foot high stone wall topped by a six foot privacy fence. That keeps them safe from numb skull humans and other animals.

When I walk them they are on a leash. I've had incidents where off leash dogs charged my dog. I was well aware in advance in each case because I was very cognizant of my surroundings and I placed myself between the aggressor and my dog and ran the naughty canine off.

Of course, It helps that I'm a former K9 officer whith a knack for intimidating charging dogs. I got accustomed to being bitten by dogs during training as an agitator for other departments (man, those Garland P.D. and Rowlett shepherds bit hard, even through a bite suit!).

My own dog bit me once when he decided it was unreasonable for me to force him out of a perfectly good hovering helicopter on a rope harness.

A bite is no big deal to me any more (I'd change my mind about that real quick if a pack came after me and the .45 would come out until the number of active teeth was sufficiently reduced).

Walking a dog is always a risk, because dogs are animals and don't have a sense of right and wrong. They have instinct for survival, pleasure, territory defense, and predation. They live in the moment and have no concept of past or future, therefore, they are NEVER to blame. It is ALWAYS human fault when two pets tangle.

Anyone who walks their dog in public should take a little time to study and understand the basics of dog psychology. Read Paul Loeb's book "Smarter than You Think" or watch a few episodes of the dog whisperer with Cesar Millan. Both those guys know what they are talking about, and most of the other non-law enforcement dog handlers and trainers are full of nonsense.

The problem with certain people who chose particularly powerful dog breeds is they often get the animal for protection and have no consideration for the fact that they should be protectors of their pet as well. It's a two-way street.

I would like to add that if you ask two different police officers for a legal opinion on anything that is not 100% cut and dried, you are as likely to get two different answers as you would asking any civilian. A prosecuting attorney is the best place to get a more accurate opinion on what is and isn't legal. And a defense attorney is a good place to go when you do something that you didn't ask a proscecuting attorney about beforehand

frazzled wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:You seem to be the type to be a responsible dog owner Frazzled so I have a question for you. In the situation the original poster mentioned, would you have tried to get your dog to stop eating that puppy?

Ok. In this fact pattern I am the owner of the leashed dog (note I say leashed dog, I didn’t see what type of dog the unleashed puppy was-big difference between a poodle and a St. Bernard puppy) correct?

Honestly...the size of the puppy wouldn't matter to me.I really don't know if my point is getting across or not. I would not shoot the leashed dog out of revenge. Heck...I like dogs. ...I would only shoot it if the owner were not making an attempt to stop the mauling.

You betcha. As I stated earlier, I did own a mixed breed pit bull once, and a large one-over 105 lbs (never trust a cute girl who sees a puppy at the grocery and tells you it’s a Labrador puppy…). I’ve been in that situation. However I raised the dog properly and would not let that happen. The only time I didn’t was because it was a Rottweiler trying to attack ME, and he bowled it over like a tank. But I still pulled him off after that.
The owners, as described, sound like complete jerk.
But an unleashed dog coming at a leashed dog is a dangerous thing.

In this case...I would thank you for the effort to save my rude little puppy and apologize for causing the problem in the first place. I may have misunderstood the OP but I took it that the guy with the Pit Bull was not doing anything to stop the madness. Even after the Pit bull was eating the old man...LOL. If this was the case, I am sorry, but I would have to use any means at my disposal to stop the situation from getting worse. I wouldn't just sit there and watch the pit make a happy meal out of my dog and father.
By the by....my kids are all grown up and I really would like to get a Pit Bull but my home owners insurance carrier is acting like It might be a problem. I am checking into Rotty pups also. Heck...I like big strong dogs. But I would not let my dog eat someone elses either. I would have been knocking the bejesus outta my dog to get him to let go of that puppy snack.

EDIT: hey we're being nice here. No need to lock.
Yeah....me too.

arod757 wrote:

But this time, there was a bowl of antifreeze on the patio.

I was with you 'til that point. I would never hurt another animal just because its owner is an idiot. No matter how much damage the animal has done to property, the dog can always be trained to stop its destructive behavior. It's not the dog's fault his owner is too lazy or ignorant to train him.

Oldgringo wrote: Somebody get a lock!

frazzled wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:I commend you for your restraint. If it were me, that would have been one very dead pit bull. I would have shot that dog with no remorse or hesitation.

And you might have been shot in return.

Here's the truth of it. If a dog runs at my dog and they get in a fight, and you come running up yelling at me and pull a gun then you are an immediate threat to my person and I will stop that threat WITHOUT FURTHER warning. It has nothing to do with the dog. You are the threat at that point.

Remember, having a gun means you can be considered a lethal danger to others.

Liberty wrote:One mans pet is another mans vermin.
If its not mine, and on my property Fluffy becomes vermin
Get of my lawn!