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Police say Wright was arrested on outstanding warrants from Galveston after she refused to wear a mask in a Texas City Office Depot.

srothstein wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:38 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:26 pm

srothstein wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:47 pm On the other hand, I went shopping in San Antonio today. Most of the big stores still had signs requiring masks, on some the signs claimed it was a local mandate (which is probably the same sign they have had up and just not changed). I was very pleasantly surprised when I went to one store, a local hobby shop I have been frequenting lately. They had a sign on the door saying that masks were optional. At the cash register was a sign that said that if you are afraid of an unmasked environment, please let them know and the employees will mask up, but masks are still optional for other customers. If this is not acceptable, they do have a sidewalk pickup option for your purchases.

That seemed an entirely reasonable policy to me.

Didn't I see something in the news about the mayor of San Antonio trying to implement a mask required ordinance? I may get inspired and try to look it up. Well that was quick. He did. https://covid19.sanantonio.gov/About-CO ... ons-Orders

The order I read said he was requiring masks where he could (like in travel centers) but that individual businesses must adopt their own policy. He strongly recommended they consider mask requirements but did not require it.

Reading between the lines, I think he might try political pressure to get businesses to require masks, but he is careful not to cross the line. He doesn't have the guts that Adler did on Austin to tell Paxton "so sue me".

cyphertext wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:54 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:26 am HEB for instance has taken a different stance. They are masks recommended. They are attempting to appear politically correct to the maskers, while not running off the anti-maskers. Their policy means they don't truly buy into the "mask science"

Actually, their policy means that they don't want to risk upsetting a large percentage of their customer base by taking a hard line either way, and they don't want to police it.

srothstein wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:47 pm On the other hand, I went shopping in San Antonio today. Most of the big stores still had signs requiring masks, on some the signs claimed it was a local mandate (which is probably the same sign they have had up and just not changed). I was very pleasantly surprised when I went to one store, a local hobby shop I have been frequenting lately. They had a sign on the door saying that masks were optional. At the cash register was a sign that said that if you are afraid of an unmasked environment, please let them know and the employees will mask up, but masks are still optional for other customers. If this is not acceptable, they do have a sidewalk pickup option for your purchases.

That seemed an entirely reasonable policy to me.

flechero wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:59 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:12 pm I realize you are not saying the customer was right but you keep trying to say the employee did something wrong

Not at all- I specifically said: Bank employee wasn't wrong the only delineation I made was that the employee could have done BETTER (IMO) for the business and it's other customers.

My position [looking at it from the standpoint of a former retail business manager] is that the best possible outcome would be: 1.no cops, 2. no scene, 3. customer out asap and 4. customer no longer a customer of the bank.

All 4 could have been accomplished by letting her withdraw the balance of the account right then. And that would have lessened exposure to a dozen people in the bank. I do agree they shouldn't have to put up with trespass but by "sticking to the rule" they allowed the trespass to continue on for much longer than necessary and the idiot customer still has to go back to close out another time. And I'm pretty sure she will wear a mask and cause another big scene.

The difference between what you and I are saying is a mere preference of style... please don't mistake me for digging in! If you were local I'd buy you a cold one! Regards,

flechero wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:01 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:26 am
Personally, I feel the employee at the bank handled it perfectly. There was literally nothing she could do other than call the cops or allow this lady to ignore the BOA policy. I have watched several video clips of folks getting into scuffles and even fights over being ask to comply with mask policies. One can't expect the employee to take on the risk that a person will react violently to being ask to leave. I have zero sympathy for a person who sees a mask required sign, attempts to ignore it and when ask to leave acts a fool. I feel masks are silly but I feel self entitled dolts who think they can do what they want on others property are even sillier.

But the customer WAS ALLOWED inside and to ignore the policy, that's my point. Bank girl wasn't "wrong" in calling the police but she could have done better and solved multiple problems at one time.

There are exceptions to every rule and as a BoA customer, I can personally attest to the fact that they break their own rules and change them pretty regularly depending on WHO is inside... if they were actually worried about health they could have gotten rid of her once and for all, FASTER than the route they chose. Clearly they were not in fear for their health since they all went on about their business with her inside, while waiting for the cops.

No new sign needed, just a typical BoA one off treatment could have fixed it, as 98% of people would have complied and left or masked up at the entrance.



Let me repeat that I'm NOT defending her actions and believe it was handled poorly by both sides. Either side could have prevented this.

flechero wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:38 pm Oh, I get it- she was very wrong. I'm NOT defending her actions. I'm just saying if they really were that worried about heath and safety, they could have gotten her out much faster, and rid of her as a customer in one fell swoop... before the police even arrived.

My opinion- handled poorly all the way around. Any common sense shown from either side and we don't read about it or see a video.

flechero wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:35 pm The lady was clearly wrong but they [bank employees] could have handled this much better and faster than waiting for the police... so if the fear was ACTUALLY health and safety- they would have been much better off giving her, her money and letting her walk away and close her account out. Instead, they allowed her to stay inside "endangering the lives of everyone" for 15 minutes- vs. just giving her the money in 2 minutes and being rid of her... of course that doesn't give anyone the satisfaction of being a SJW and seeing and old lady arrested by police.


I wear a mask [properly] wherever required, but an honest question to the hard core mask crowd- If we went our whole lives without masks and without issue... now even when someone is vaccinated from the one thing you are wearing masks for, what's the fear? Especially considering the science is mixed on whether a [non-rated] mask helps. Based on the available science, the distancing may do more than the masks most people wear.

What ticks me off, though, is the tons of self righteous mask police walking around with their noses sticking out of their masks... but the person who is minding their own business, distancing from people, is an issue worth yelling at and causing a scene over.

Pawpaw wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:39 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:48 pm And so it begins. 60 year old woman decides to be a trespassing test case. From body cam footage the cop gave her a chance to get a mask and come back to get her money out. Then he gave her the chance to leave. At that point she went full blown George Floyd on him. She must not have gotten the memo that only felons are allowed to resist arrest. She failed to shout, "I can't breath". One must know the rules before fighting with a cop.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-woman- ... nk-bodycam

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Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:24 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:11 pm

Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:49 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:40 am

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:38 am

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:05 am I hope that all of you planning to stop wearing masks entirely later this week will keep an appropriate distance from those of us that choose to keep wearing a mask inside public spaces.

I may be vaccinated, but I certainly do not want to inhale your unfiltered breath.

I plan on avoiding close encounters with you. Please allow me the opportunity.

If you are wearing a mask and masks work, breathing unfiltered breath should not be an issue. If masks don't work, then there is no point in wearing them. (Conundrum).

This logic, or lack thereof, is why a mandate was needed to begin with.
There are many reasons why your breathing on me while you are not wearing a mask is more unhealthy for me, whether I'm wearing a mask or not. I believe you're smart enough to know this.

Go troll someone else.

Agree 100% with this. All the anti masker stay away.

Maybe it is you who needs to stay away from those not wearing a mask. There is little difference in a person who thinks anyone not wearing a mask is worthy of scorn and a person who thinks wearing a mask in a store that requests it is a violation of their rights. Both are Nazis. Both have a feeling of self importance that resembles narcissism. Respect peoples right to decide for themselves what is right for them. If you are uncomfortable around those not wearing a mask, you probably should refuse to shop where a mask is not required. If you feel wearing a mask violates your rights, you need to stay out of places that require a mask.

If the store requires a mask to enter, one should respect their rights and wear one. If the store has no requirement to wear a mask, one should respect their right in this situation as well.

I just got back from a Tom Thumb store. They had a sign on the door requiring a mask. They also played repeatedly over the loud speaker that a mask was required. I kept a mask on while in the store. Their store, their rules.

I do actually. I stay away from the anti maskers. Walmart here has a mask policy but some of the anti maskers still don’t follow the rules. And when I am checking out they tend to be “right up” on me. It’s annoying as ever. I don’t look for confrontation though especially when I am carrying my gun.

We do agree on most points though.

Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:49 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:40 am

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:38 am

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:05 am I hope that all of you planning to stop wearing masks entirely later this week will keep an appropriate distance from those of us that choose to keep wearing a mask inside public spaces.

I may be vaccinated, but I certainly do not want to inhale your unfiltered breath.

I plan on avoiding close encounters with you. Please allow me the opportunity.

If you are wearing a mask and masks work, breathing unfiltered breath should not be an issue. If masks don't work, then there is no point in wearing them. (Conundrum).

This logic, or lack thereof, is why a mandate was needed to begin with.
There are many reasons why your breathing on me while you are not wearing a mask is more unhealthy for me, whether I'm wearing a mask or not. I believe you're smart enough to know this.

Go troll someone else.

Agree 100% with this. All the anti masker stay away.

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:05 am I hope that all of you planning to stop wearing masks entirely later this week will keep an appropriate distance from those of us that choose to keep wearing a mask inside public spaces.

I may be vaccinated, but I certainly do not want to inhale your unfiltered breath.

I plan on avoiding close encounters with you. Please allow me the opportunity.

srothstein wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:07 pm

Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:08 am

tomneal wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:15 am

Masks only work when you make ‘the other guy’ wear one.There is a secret one way nanotechnology in your cloth neck gaiter that only stops #MuhDroplets on the way out, but won’t protect me from breathing them IN, if I wear one. So you must wear a mask to protect me, even if you already had and recovered from the Kung Flu or are fully vaccinated. This is because #TrumpsFault and also Stormy emoluments of collusive traitorous insurrections.

I was confused before. After reading this, I completely understand.

I am still very confused by his post.

What is being pointed out, though in a humorous fashion, is the fact that a cloth mask cannot protect you from catching the virus. There are several reasons for this, such as the fact that a cloth mask does not seal to the face and the virus bug is smaller than the filtering capability of the mask. Add in that the mask doesn't cover the eyes or protect other susceptible tissues from exposure and you can see how it cannot protect the wearer from exposure. Ask any vet who went through military training for combat in an NBC or CBR environment and they will fully understand this. If they went through in the 70s or 80s like I did, see if they can describe MOPP IV gear to you. It was the protective gear for a contaminated area.

But, a mask does protect others from a person who is contaminated. When you breathe, if you have the virus, it is exhaled contained in the moisture droplets in your breath. The water droplets are so much larger than the virus that they can be stopped by the mask. Obviously, this is based on the assumption that the person wearing the mask actually has the virus. This is not usually true but it explains why you heard so many people yelling about you not knowing if you had the virus or not and how you could transmit it without being symptomatic. They had bought into the masks and needed to believe this to convince you to wear a mask. It also ignores the report that a cloth mask does not necessarily stop water droplets but might just break them up into smaller drops which enhances the transmission of the virus. This report was dropped quickly from the news and the urge to wear multiple layers of masks pushed instead.

So we have no evidence that a cloth mask protects the wearer at all. And there is no way a mask can protect others from a person who does not have the virus. But a mask might offer some protection to others if the wearer happens to have a virus, but it is not guaranteed at all.

crazy2medic wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:35 pm I'm thinking of stapling my mask to the wall in my reloading room so I don't forget what Govt. Oppression looks like!