mode right now (read I'm too fat), so i've taken to using a jak slide. With a jak slide, the gun rides in inside the belt, but not the pants. See http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterG3.asp?Pr ... 3&GunID=11 for an example. It works well with just about any gun I own, but you have to have a shirt to cover. Really holds the gun close to the body (just as an IWB) and secure. This is probably not a good option for a full size gun, but any 4" or shorter barrel is fine.