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jmra wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

JP171 wrote:YES!!! I was right the guy shot his own dog!!! is under arrest for it too, I called it when it happened!

No, you didn't call it that way at all. I went back and read all of your posts and you never even hinted that the dog owner shot his own dog.

Chas.

Actually, I called it. But I was being a wise cracker about it. I never dreamed anyone would actually do something so crazy. The world has definitely tilted... Or something.

I didn't see it coming at all. What kind of sick mind could even dream up something like this?

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Funny how a few posters keep dwelling on dog bites. Not one shred of evidence suggests anything other than a punk thug shot a dog out of pure meanness. Shame on those that are trying to defend this scum. If he was innocent, he WOULD have come forward by now. Again...SHAME ON THOSE THAT DEFEND SUCH DESPICABLE ACTIONS.

It seems to be that this post has taken a circular path and has now broken down to arguments for argument's sake. IOW, (or dog as the case may be)

I was thinking the same thing. It appears it has turned into a contest of who can say the wittiest comment for the forum to observe.

03Lightningrocks wrote:Funny how a few posters keep dwelling on dog bites. Not one shred of evidence suggests anything other than a punk thug shot a dog out of pure meanness. Shame on those that are trying to defend this scum. If he was innocent, he WOULD have come forward by now. Again...SHAME ON THOSE THAT DEFEND SUCH DESPICABLE ACTIONS.

EEllis wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:
I think what many of us are saying is that leash or no leash, my property or someone else's, it is not normal for a person to just kill a dog for kicks. It is flat out wrong to do. If the dog were attacking the riders, they would have either stayed and talked to the owner or at the least, called the cops after they left and told their story.

Well I think the argument is that the dog may not have been killed for kicks. I also don't know that everyone who legally kills an animal always stays to talk to the cops. Heck the first post is stating it would be ok to shoot the guy. Then you may still have liability or trespassing charges on riding the atv. There is just not enough info for me to feel comfortable with saying anything is a certainty in this situation with what we know now.

JP171 wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

JP171 wrote:I unlike Charles have reason to believe the dog owner is not being completely on the level as an ATV rider I know that dogs chase me quite often, the dog was not on a leash/lead and leash laws apply to ALL property with few exceptions such as fenced area's at home or as designated by being a dog park and FtBend County and the city of Richmond both have leash laws. the ATV was only 10 feet from the dog according to the story, the owner never said how far from him the dog and ATV were and no you cannot always out run the dog no matter what you think its not always possible he never said if the dog was going toward the ATV or away or barking or wagging its tail.

I have to be the devils advocate here, if the dog was chasing him he was justified in shooting the dog(been there done that) if the owner whooped out his trusty pistola and shot the ATV rider he just committed at the very least agg assault if the rider dies he just committed murder. in Texas animals like dogs and cats are considered chattel and under the law if the animal is aggressive towards a person or livestock can be shot. However all that being as it is, if it is found that the ATV Rider shot the dog out of just plain meanness I will help you string him up and use him like a piñata

We rode our Polaris Sportsman 500X2 all over the San Juan Mountains of Colorado for several years. I don't think the dog has been born that could outrun that ATV on level ground; ergo, there is no need to shoot a dog in pursuit. PLUS, it would have to be a left hand shot from a moving, bouncing ATV. The right thumb would be on the throttle if the ATV was in motion. Right?

your making an assumption I won't grant you OG, we don't know where the dog was coming from and I have been bitten by a dog at 35 mph on my bike so I can see the person stopping if the dog was coming in at a forward angle and if the dog didn't stop I would shoot it. Also, only 1 channel has the story that I can find and 13 is notoriously against weapons of any kind

JP171 wrote:I unlike Charles have reason to believe the dog owner is not being completely on the level as an ATV rider I know that dogs chase me quite often, the dog was not on a leash/lead and leash laws apply to ALL property with few exceptions such as fenced area's at home or as designated by being a dog park and FtBend County and the city of Richmond both have leash laws. the ATV was only 10 feet from the dog according to the story, the owner never said how far from him the dog and ATV were and no you cannot always out run the dog no matter what you think its not always possible he never said if the dog was going toward the ATV or away or barking or wagging its tail.

I have to be the devils advocate here, if the dog was chasing him he was justified in shooting the dog(been there done that) if the owner whooped out his trusty pistola and shot the ATV rider he just committed at the very least agg assault if the rider dies he just committed murder. in Texas animals like dogs and cats are considered chattel and under the law if the animal is aggressive towards a person or livestock can be shot. However all that being as it is, if it is found that the ATV Rider shot the dog out of just plain meanness I will help you string him up and use him like a piñata

03Lightningrocks wrote:In a perverted way, what George is saying has merit. The owner of the dog does earn some of the blame here. It does not excuse the dispicable action of the punks. I would not tar and feather the dog owner but I could peel the skin off that punk who shot the dog and feel zero remorse. I would get a burger and milk shake right after he died. That being said... the owner should have done a better job of protecting his dog.

Quick story. Several years ago I see two huge dogs run by my front door. Then I hear a lady scream for help. I run into the front yard to see what was going on. These two big dogs had snatched up this very small Yorky and headed for the hills with it. My brother was visiting so he and I went in pursuit. We found the dead Yorky a few hundred yards away. The big dogs were gone. We called animal control because we didn't want to be the ones walking up to a ladies door with her mangled Yorky in tow. Animal control arrives and I am mad as I can be about the two big dogs running lose. I made a comment to him about how irresponsible it was for someone to allow their dogs to run free. He looks at me and says I agree with one exception. There were two irresponsible owners here. The owner of the Yorky was just as responsible for the death as the owner of the two big dogs. I could not come up with a reasonable way to disagree.