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by Oldgringo
Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:38 pm
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Topic: 17yo moved out
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Re: 17yo moved out

snatchel wrote:I'm truly sorry about your situation, I'm no parent but it's not hard to imagine the stress and heartache that it causes you. I have been in a situation like this in regard to my 19 (was 17) year old brother. We will call him Taylor.

When I was in the military, he was in his early teens. By the time I separated he had been to jail twice, lost his license, moved out twice, assaulted my father, was smoking pot, drinking excessively, taking pills, etc. Basically, your worst nightmare and frighteningly like your son.

When I separated and moved back here to Tx to go back to school, my parents approached me about trying to help. They thought that maybe one of the reasons he went astray is because I left for the military, and he didn't have any positive big brother influence. This could have been a contributing cause, but there are too many "only children" out there who turned out fine, not to mention older siblings who didn't have older brothers, etc. Anyway, my parents asked me if I would consider letting Taylor move in with me and see if I would have any effect on him. My wife and I are good people (or I would like to think so). We go to mass every week, we participate in community functions, we don't party. After a lot of discussion and prayer, my wife and I agreed to let Taylor move in with us, provided he signed a contract. Taylor was excited just to be out of the house and my parents direct control, so he sat down with us and went over the contract. I won't go into detail in what the contract consisted of but PM me if you are interested.

The first couple of months were rough, but he eventually came around. I had a strict drug/alcohol/curfew policy in my home. Home by 9, and He could not bring friends over. He had to pay rent (only $200), but that kept him employed. We gave him 3 strikes before we would kick him out. He tested the water the first week when he came home drunk. I confronted him, took away his key, and this led to a physical confrontation. I dealt with it as only a big brother can. He now had no key to the house, and was 1 strike down. He also never got physical again.

A few months later .. maybe month 3, I was out running errands and saw him with a crew of his friends. I knew the kids, knew they were trouble, and approached him. We argued, and I told him to be home within the hour. None of his friends had a car, they were all in his.. so I let the air out of 2 of his tires. He walked home, but made it within the hour time frame. Two strikes. I sat him down with the contract that evening and we discussed his situation. Only 3 months in, and he already had 2 strikes. I praised him for the things he was doing right-- got a raise at work, was passing his drug tests (I ordered several and would test him randomly), and got his GPA back up to a 3.4. But I told him that we would not default on the contract, and he only had one strike left.

It has been 2 years since he moved in with us. He still has rough patches, and we still have disagreements... but he is doing remarkable well. He has graduated, and is a freshman in college. We carpool to school together. He eats dinner with Ana and I every night after he gets off work. He has his key to the house back, and I still enforce a midnight curfew. My house, my rules.

The rent he payed us accumulated, but my wife and I never spent it. We stuck it in a savings account under his name, and he now has almost $10,000 saved. We told him about it a few months ago and told him we would let him use it for school in emergencies. His scholarship pays almost all of his tuition, and his job covers the rest.. so he told us to let him know when it got up to 15 grand so that he could use it to pay for a new car for mom.. this showed me that he really has changed for the better. He wrecked mom's car when he was drunk at 17 years old... He never even apologized.

So what is the moral of my story? Maybe he just needs someone closer to his age that can be a positive influence. Put an add in the paper. Contact the boys & girls club. Ask a cousin, or whatever you have to try. Just my 2 cents :) I hope it helps in some way, even if only to give you hope.
It's called "tough love". Good Job! :tiphat:
by Oldgringo
Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:38 pm
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Topic: 17yo moved out
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Re: 17yo moved out

suthdj wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:
suthdj wrote:i have thought about setting him up in a hotel room when he is 18 just to get him out and to put him close to many jobs might cost a few hundred but worth it.
It appears to this curmudgeon that it is past time to be thinking about putting him up anywhere and time to think about your wife, who has apparently been driven abroad by your son and your refusal/inability to deal with the situation.

It's ball check and choice time. Nobody can do it but you, just do it - one way or the other!

You asked... :tiphat:
You can not "deal" with a situation you can not control, he has no regard for anyone or himself. I am not going to let myself be drug down to a level that ends up with me in jail or a hospital and trust me those are the options when dealing with him. The law is no help at all since he has been on probation he has been to jail 2 times and the system won't do anything but put him on electronic monitoring which locks him up at home that is just punishment for me. The judge says don't do X,Y,Z and he does that and more. I could get him locked up in a drug rehab until he is 18 but then when he is done in less then a month, I still have to let him back in my house and I will still have to evict him and deal with whatever revenge he decides to extract during that time. Walk in my shoes for awhile then come back and talk about refusal/inability and ball checks. Bottom Line is I am doing what I can to keep my sanity until he is out of my house so I can move on with my life. Despite what parents think a child allows you control over their life, as he likes to point out "what are you going to do" Stop and think about those words the reality is you have no real control unless you want to get physical which will lead to you going to jail. Just not worth it!
The ball is in your court. You either return serve or you lose by default. Your call.
by Oldgringo
Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:26 pm
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Topic: 17yo moved out
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Re: 17yo moved out

suthdj wrote:i have thought about setting him up in a hotel room when he is 18 just to get him out and to put him close to many jobs might cost a few hundred but worth it.
It appears to this curmudgeon that it is past time to be thinking about putting him up anywhere and time to think about your wife, who has apparently been driven abroad by your son and your refusal/inability to deal with the situation.

It's ball check and choice time. Nobody can do it but you, just do it - one way or the other!

You asked... :tiphat:
by Oldgringo
Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:12 pm
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Topic: 17yo moved out
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Re: 17yo moved out

suthdj wrote:
apostate wrote:
suthdj wrote:My 17yo son moved out about a month ago reality is setting in and he wants to move back here, I really don't want him here he is trouble with no end in sight. Do I have to let him back in my house?
Several people have answered the question of what they believe you should do. Here are my thoughts on the question you asked.

The Texas Family Code says (151.001) a parent has "the duty to support the child, including providing the child with clothing, food, shelter, medical and dental care, and education" and also says (261.001) neglect includes "the failure by the person responsible for a child's care, custody, or welfare to permit the child to return to the child's home without arranging for the necessary care for the child after the child has been absent from the home for any reason, including having been in residential placement or having run away."

There are various definitions for child in Texas law, but the one closest seems to be in Title 5, Subtitle A, Chapter 101 of the Texas Family Code: ""Child" or "minor" means a person under 18 years of age who is not and has not been married or who has not had the disabilities of minority removed for general purposes."

That said, I hesitate to draw conclusions. IANAL and to me, the Family Code makes the Penal Code look clear and concise. :shock:
Thank you, I knew when I asked the question I would get a lot of responses and few answers, that being said all are appreciated.

A little history he has assaulted me 3 times ticketed once,arrested once(21 days in jail), and the last time I did not bother to call police I was driving him to hospital for his drug over indulgence when he punched me and broke my nose not to mention his over all general attitude, which is a know it all gangsta with no respect for anyone or anything and he is on juvenile probation(They do nothing). He was living in a house with a meth addict and a metal case who assaulted him twice(poetic justice) he saw what the drug was doing and wanted out of that situation. I let him move his stuff back in today but I think he is going to end up back on the street when he is 18(1 month) his mother refused to let him stay with her. My current wife has made it clear he is not welcome here when he is 18, she is currently in China to avoid him and his influence on my 3yo. It is in general a lose lose for me.
I would not have let him back in; especially, with that history of assault. Which begs the question of why you didn't file assault charges after each and every assault? For lack of other definition, it's called "tough love".

You're a soft touch, good luck and God bless.
by Oldgringo
Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:35 am
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Topic: 17yo moved out
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Re: 17yo moved out

flintknapper wrote:Yes, but in the parable of the prodigal son, the young man finally comes to his senses, in humility… recognizes his foolishness and decides to return to his father and ask for forgiveness and mercy.

IF this same repentant spirit exists in the OP’s Son…then yes… he should be received with open arms, IF NOT…then perhaps nothing will be gained except the enabling of the lad.

Important for Christians to forgive (where appropriate), but at the same time NOT be made a fool of.
I’ve seen it work both ways.

Flint.
:clapping: Well said! :tiphat:
by Oldgringo
Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:13 pm
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Topic: 17yo moved out
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Re: 17yo moved out

Get a court order and keep the bum out.

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