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by mgood
Thu May 01, 2014 2:24 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OCT: Proposed OC ACT for 2015
Replies: 96
Views: 14656

Re: OCT: Proposed OC ACT for 2015

locke_n_load wrote:The main point OC'ers push is that you shouldn't need a license to exercise a right, it doesn't matter if the license costs $100 or $1. It's the principle of the matter.
And I agree with that too. But one of the prerequisites of the CHL program was that it would pay for itself. That was a bone we had to throw to get it passed at all.
I don't think I should have to carry a card in my pocket to exercise my 2nd Amendment right, let alone pay for it, but it's better than where we were in 1995.
by mgood
Thu May 01, 2014 10:05 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OCT: Proposed OC ACT for 2015
Replies: 96
Views: 14656

Re: OCT: Proposed OC ACT for 2015

RogueUSMC wrote:I believe that, unless you are prohibited from possessing firearms for some reason, one should be able to carry any gun he chooses in whatever way he sees fit...constitutional carry so to speak. But, by saying 'any gun he chooses', I mean exactly that...any gun. NFA needs to go away as well as any kind of license requirement for the carry of anything. Aside from due process determining you shouldn't carry a gun, it must be assumed you can.

In the long run, it would be easier to just go the whole nine yards from the get go rather than the small steps. Like driving a nail...rather than 'tap tap tap' with a 14oz hammer, give it one good shot with the 28oz hammer and be done. Either way, society (the wood) has to alter itself to accept the nail (constitutional carry). The end result will be the same...the wood will never have to yield a hole any bigger than the nail.

It will all regulate itself if given a chance. Take NFA for example...get rid of it and the guns will self-regulate. Folks will scream about how just anyone can buy an M-60 machine gun. And I say, "so?". If Joe Schmo wants to spend $10k on an M-60, let him. He has to be able to afford to feed the dang thing before it matters...and at $500/min in triggertime, it will regulate itself.

The whole process will not be without pain and that's where the gun control people cause problems. Just like a nail that has to be driven by force by repeated impacts with a steel hammer, the move to constitutional carry will have it's growing pains. Once the nail is flush, nobody will worry about it. Making people understand about the growing pains is the problem.
I agree with all of that, RogueUSMC.
But the general feeling is that society is not ready to accept such all-encompassing deregulation. At least our legislators are not ready to stick their necks out that far.
So we're fighting a war of baby steps. Lately we've been winning, one little step at a time. I'm not sure we should rock that boat just yet.

EDIT:
Just as the anti-gunners (the sane ones, anyway :roll: ) know they can't pass legislation that would outlaw all guns all at once. So they come after us piecemeal. They're going to outlaw scary-looking rifles and high-capacity magazines. Then semi-auto anything. Until eventually they've legislated us back to muskets - or throwing rocks.
Most of us don't think we can repeal all firearm regulations all at once. It would be nice, but I don't think it's realistic at this time. We can keep pushing in that direction though.
by mgood
Thu May 01, 2014 8:16 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: OCT: Proposed OC ACT for 2015
Replies: 96
Views: 14656

Re: OCT: Proposed OC ACT for 2015

Beiruty wrote:
ldj1002 wrote:How do some states have OC and it apparently works just fine.
They have Less large cities? For example, such as Vermont, NH and Alaska
I think at least some (maybe most?) of the states where open carry is legal, it was never illegal.

JR's 12 Valve wrote:When I'm out on the ranch it's my preferred method of carry, but I do not like the idea of openly carrying in town.

I gave it a go in Oklahoma, and I did not like it whatsoever. Just imagine walking down the street and having EVERYBODY look at you. I personally don't like being stared at wherever I walk.
After about 20 minutes I went and got my coat out of the truck.

I don't care for it in town, but I think folks should go ahead and do it if they get a wild hair.
I had similar experience in New Mexico. I open carried every day in the gun store where I worked. If I left work to go run an errand, I often open carried just because I already had it on in my OWB rig and it was too warm to put on a jacket. I got the stares, and often questions. I prefer to carry concealed and remain discreet. But it's nice to know that if I need to make a quick stop to buy some snacks or gas, I don't have to cover up if it's not convenient.

Right2Carry wrote:I support the choice to open carry but do not support the tactics that are being used by some of the OC folks. I would rather see legislation passed that gives CHLers the right to carry everywhere a LEO can carry passed then OC passing.
:iagree:

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