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by Charles L. Cotton
Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:23 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Dillon Blue Press: Interesting Article
Replies: 29
Views: 13128

Re: Dillon Blue Press: Interesting Article

easy10 wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:51 am One study highlighted the importance of capacity since 70 to 80% of the shots miss. Pack more 9MM in a double stack.
My reading over the years leads me to believe this horrible hit ratio is the result of the adoption of the so-called "wonder 9s" by LEO agencies many years ago. When officers carried revolvers, I think the rounds-fired-to-hit ratio was 2.x while the current ratio is a multiple of that number. This was with officers carrying .357 Magnum handguns with much greater felt-recoil.

The poor hit ratio you note is one reason I discount the "shot placement" argument many folks rely upon for using a 9mm over something larger. While it is certainly accurate to state that shot placement is important, getting a round into a desired location to stop an attacker seems to be more a matter of luck with many people, based the poor hit ratio with higher-capacity handguns. Remember, one of the primary arguments justifying a 9mm over a 45ACP is faster follow-up shots. This argument seems to be put forth in tandem with the “shot placement argument, but they are somewhat contradictory.

If shot placement is critical, and I believe it is, then the first round or two fired need to be put where they are most likely to prevent you from being killed by a would-be murderer. It is the rare person indeed that cannot fire the first round of a 45ACP just as accurately as the first round of a 9mm. The mindset should be “put the first round where it needs to go, not “I have 15 rounds to get one on target.” I know, I know, that’s an overstatement, but the concept is valid.

In my view, a higher capacity handgun is desirable in the event you are attacked by multiple assailants, not to offset poor marksmanship.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:57 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Dillon Blue Press: Interesting Article
Replies: 29
Views: 13128

Re: Dillon Blue Press: Interesting Article

LTUME1978 wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:36 am Charles,

I have the article from last month if you would like to see it and can't find your copy. The title is "Why the 45 ACP FAILED" (or some words similar but I remember the word "failed" being in all caps). I was tempted to write to the author and ask him to send me his 45 ACP pistols and ammo/reloading gear as he considers them such a terrible thing but I decided to let that on go as I knew he would get bombarded with rebuttals.

I was never in the military or law enforcement so I take training classes and talk to those that are/were and ask questions. I have talked to several Houston PD SWAT team members that all carried a 45 ACP (two in 1911 and one in a Glock). I asked why and the answer I got was that the people that they shoot just seem to go down faster when hit with a 45 ACP. One of these guys had a 1911 10mm build by a local pistol smith. I asked why and he said he wanted to be able to reach out and touch bad guys at a long range with his pistol (and he can do that, he is a very good shot). Several of the training classes I have attended were made up of mostly law enforcement with some being big city SWAT. I saw a number of those SWAT guys carrying a 1911 in 45 ACP. I asked why and got the same answer as what I got from the HPD SWAT guys. The instructor of those classes is a former Delta Team Lead. He tells us to carry the biggest thing that you can shoot well. His definition of "shoot well" is probably a much higher level of performance than most. He carries a 357 sig Glock sub compact and can really shoot that thing.

Paul Harrel just put out a video comparing the new military Sig 9mm with the Berreta and a military grade 1911. He was able to shoot the 1911 more accurately and demonstrated that (when using ball ammo) the 45 ACP did a good bit more damage than the 9 mm. The only negative he had on the 1911 in 45 ACP was the capacity of that pistol vs the capacity of the 9mm.
Was one of the HPD SWAT guy's first name Mark? I don't want to give his full name, but he's a very good friend who made the exact same statement, i.e. "bad guys just go down faster with the 45ACP." I put more emphasis on real-world experience than I do Jello tests or theoretical mathematical calculations. Remember, aeronautical engineers tell us bumblebees can't fly. I'm not trying to insult anyone -- this is just my opinion.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:39 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Dillon Blue Press: Interesting Article
Replies: 29
Views: 13128

Dillon Blue Press: Interesting Article

The Blue Press came today and it has an interesting rebuttal article on Page 32. Actually, there are several rebuttals, but the one that interests me is the one by Dr. England. I didn't read the article in the last issue that is the subject of rebuttals, but apparently was horrible. I'll see if I still have that issue. I find Dr. England's statement regarding the rate at which a person "bleeds" when shot with a 9mm compared with a 45ACP quite interesting.

I wish I could copy it here, but I don't have the time or the desire to get written approval to publish the article. If you are interested, Dr. England's rebuttal deals with the bogus claim that "9mm is just as good as 45ACP for self-defense." Yep, here we go again!!

Chas.

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