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ConcealedCarryTX.com wrote:Hi everybody,
I am an instructor in the Dallas area, teaching a few years. And I totally agree with having basic pistol instruction before taking my class. And if and when they passed the course, if I'm not comfortable with their skill level, I schedule a 3 hour session (and charge them) before I give them their certificate. It's only the right thing to do, in my opinion.

Someone had mentioned in a previous post about inserting the magazine in backwards, then having a round in the chamber in reverse. Either I'm dumb, but that is literally impossible to do. I can understand trying to put the magazine in backwards (which I've never seen successfully done--ever!), but a round in the chamber? It ain't happening.

If you require a person to take an additional class before issuing a CHL-100 to a student who passed the course, then you are setting yourself up for a DTPA lawsuit. You may also hear from the DPS. As instructors, we cannot add to the requirements to obtain an LTC that are established by Texas law and DPS regulations.

Chas.

Any instructor that passes a student that only achieved 15 rounds on target falsified a government document and they have committed a felony. I would hope that someone in the class would report it to DPS and help maintain the integrity of Texas' excellent LTC program.

Every now and then we see a thread on the proficiency test being too easy. My response is always the same. Please point to a problem that has resulted. The program is 20 years old, we have over 1 million licensees and I haven't seen or heard of a single incident involving a Licensee based upon incompetence at arms. Whenever we attack anti-gun legislation, the first question is always, "show us the problem you are trying to fix." There's never a legitimate response.

As for kicking students out of a class, instructors can't set their own standard. The DPS gives every student three attempts at the written exam and the range portion of the class. I've never had a student fail the written exam. Four have failed to pass the proficiency portion on the first attempt. Three passed on the second attempt and the fourth passed on the third and last attempt. I tell all of my students that, if they sweep anyone with their muzzle, or if I have to warn them more than once or twice that they are getting close so sweeping someone, I'll ask them to stand down and they will shoot with me after the class is over. I have never had to have a student stand down. I've never had someone grossly incompetent on the range, but if I do, I'll have them shoot at the end of class and I will give them the three opportunities to which DPS states they are entitled.

As to liability asked by one Member, the answer is no, instructors are not liable for the bad acts of former students. We have immunity from such liability as does the state. My online registration form makes it abundantly clear that the LTC class is not a firearms training class. They agree with that acknowledgement, or they cannot register. DPS correctly points out that the proficiency portion of the class is the student's opportunity to show us that they can shoot the course mandated by the DPS. It's not a shooting class.

Chas.