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by Charles L. Cotton
Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:14 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71823

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

thetexan wrote:They can show me an employee. They can show me a policy. They can show me a sign.

Until they show me an employee who either is the owner or speaks with the APPARENT authority of the owner who verbally notifies me to leave, or shows me a written document with the identical 30.07 language written on it, or displays a properly posted compliant 30.07 sign I will have until then not been lawfully notified. And neither will anyone else.
I'm not sure what you mean, but if you walk past a TPC §30.07 sign, then you have committed a criminal trespass and you need not be given any additional notice. It would be a Class C until/unless you refuse to leave after being told to do so. As for your "apparent authority" argument, you are walking on very thin ice. If someone working for the company tells you to leave and you do not, then it will be up to a jury to decide if employee you ignored "appeared to have the authority" to tell you to leave. (Remember, "apparent authority" focuses on appearances, not actual authority to control the property.) If the jury doesn't agree with you, you will be convicted of a Class A misdemeanor and lose your CHL/LTC for seven years. Win or lose, you will have paid one of my colleagues that handle criminal cases a lot of money.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:12 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71823

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

JALLEN wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
JALLEN wrote:
People often have an expanded view of their rights these days, not always compatible with law or reality.

It's the age of narcissistic entitlement. :mad5
as well as the abolishing of shame.

In my childhood, the worst thing often was, said in abject disgust, "You ought to be ashamed of yourself!" and often we were. You comported yourself in hope of avoiding being ashamed of yourself, usually, or strived to do so.

Shame is getting to be like dinosaurs. You hardly ever see it anymore.
Well said!

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:53 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71823

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

Richbirdhunter wrote:
G.A. Heath wrote:
Richbirdhunter wrote:
G.A. Heath wrote:
Richbirdhunter wrote:I love the names for the OCT crowd, militants, not normal, and a few other endearing names. Is everybody ok with calling non-militants, Pelosi's? As long as it's with the same love and respect as the otherside has been using?
I love the names that the OCT crowd applies to gun owners who don't agree 100% with their position and methods: Butters, Anti-gun (I have been called this), Anti-Constitution[al] (I have been called this as well), Hater[s] (I have been called this also), Turncoats, and more than a few other endearing names. The funny thing is OCT along with other groups have done, and continue to do, more damage than the anti-gunners could by themselves. So exactly who do you want to call a Pelosi, other progun activists who are getting their legislation passed without having to try and claim credit for a bill they called on their membership to oppose?
Just because we don't agree on tactics doesn't mean that we are not on the same side, but I've been referred to as all kinds of things none of them kind. I was even told I haven't been long enough to have an opinion. When a man has been denied a God given right for his whole life, he gets excited when he sees the light at the end of the tunnel. He is overjoyed when he realizes that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a train.
you say you have been told "Haven't been long enough to have an opinion..." Who said told you this and been what long enough? Everyone has a right to an opinion, they may not have enough experience to form an a valid one by the reckoning of other folks but they can have that opinion. Again who do you want to call a "Pelosi?"

My hope is not to call anyone a Pelosi, but when my opinion is minimized by labeling me militant or some other endearing term it's frustrating to say the least.

Are you an OCT member who has demonstrated with long guns? Are you an OCT member who has claimed that anyone and everyone who does not agree 100% with everything that CJ Grisham desires is an anti-gunner?

If the answer to these questions is "no," then I seriously doubt you've been called a militant here on the Forum. If your conduct yourself as does Grisham, then you certainly fit that description, but that's not the same as calling you a militant. If a post denounces a thief and you feel targeted by that post, then you have labeled yourself.

BTW, call anyone a Pelosi here and you'll be gone in a heartbeat. We've had enough of OCT types calling anyone and everyone who calls their tactics into question anti-gun and other things and we stopped tolerating that crap long ago.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:29 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71823

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

Richbirdhunter wrote:I love the names for the OCT crowd, militants, not normal, and a few other endearing names. Is everybody ok with calling non-militants, Pelosi's? As long as it's with the same love and respect as the otherside has been using?
Why don't you give it a try and find out?

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:49 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71823

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

Stop the back and forth banter on the Forum. Take to it emails and you two can do whatever you like.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:39 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71823

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

jmra wrote:
Cjwglock19 wrote:Guess I'm in the minority... They are asking you not to carry openly. They are not asking you not to carry. The are respecting your right, just asking you to respect their wish in the process.
:iagree:
But I don't think you are in the minority.
I agree. You are hardly in the minority.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:12 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........
Replies: 440
Views: 71823

Re: Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

LDB415 wrote:
WinoVeritas wrote:As a licensed CC'er, please remind me why I should care about this. :thumbs2:
How about because it's an infringement, as well as an affront to honest, law abiding citizens. Either I and my firearm are welcome in every way allowed or we are not welcome at all and I will not spend one penny with an anti-legal-gun establishment. This makes them no different than a business posting a 30.06 and it makes anyone supporting them an anti-gun supporter.

p.s. Yours was the first post I got to that called for such a response. This isn't directed exclusively at you. It's directed at anyone and everyone who would patronize Whataburger from this point forward knowing they have decided to go to the dark side.
Whataburger expressly allows concealed-carry while prohibiting open-carry. That's not the same thing as "posting a 30.06" sign as you state. They are making a business decision out of a concern that open-carry could/would hurt their business. That's not an infringement on any right nor is it an affront to anyone. I realize you feel it is, but that's your opinion and I suspect it is not shared by many. Your any gun, anywhere, anytime by anyone is a philosophy that few in the general public accept and that is the reality facing every business owner. I would agree with you if Whataburger banned both concealed and open carry, because that would deny honest citizens the ability to defend themselves and their families.

We also have to acknowledge that Whataburger is fully aware of the atmosphere created by OCT demonstrations. The decision was not made in a vacuum.

Chas.

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