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nightmare69 wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:The police are not executing these no knock warrants on foreign military targets or terrorists. The police are not the military and rarely are military tactics appropriate in law enforcement. No knocks really should be reserved for only the most dangerous cases. In what percentage of the cases do the subjects of a announce and enter raid put up armed resistance? We know it's very rare. And, if these crazy drug dealers are so dangerous, why enter at all? Much safer to catch 'em outside. And what's with the tacticool flash bangs? How many houses do these things set on fire?

And yes, the ones I went on were Aryan brotherhood who manufactured dope and ran guns, not the nicest people. Some of these guys never left their house so we had to go in. Some of these dope dealers are smart and have learned how to avoid being caught.

As a campus COP, how were you involved in drug raids against Aryan Brotherhood drug houses?

Chas.

nightmare69 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:
War is not law enforcement. Law enforcement is not war. There is a difference and if you cannot see the difference maybe you should change your profession. When LEO starts looking at us as collateral damage then we need to change things. Do you recall something called the Bill of Rights? Due process? Innocent until proven guilty? That child was guilty of nothing but being in the way of a flash bang device. What you propose as the norm is not fighting evil. What you propose is evil.

We fight violence with violence. It may be going hands on to lethal force, all are forms of violence. If you think the entire mentally of LE needs changing then I challenge you to get hired on by a dept, go through the academy and get out there and make a difference.

We can debate LE weapons, tactics, and mentally all day but at the end we are just trying to contain the crime and violence on the streets and go home to our families in one piece. Also trying not to end up on YouTube.

I've worn the badge and uniform and bad guys were no less dangerous than they are now. A retired DPS Lt. said it best. "Respect for law enforcement and community relations are rapidly declining because of what cadets are being taught in academies all over the country. Cadets are being taught that they are the pointy end of the spear. They are taught to be not just COPSs, but judge, jury and executioner. That came from a high ranking officer with over 30 years experience. He too longs for the days of community policing.

Chas.

nightmare69 wrote:. . . The reason LE uses no knocks is because they work well with minimal casualties on both sides. The ones wanting to forbid no knocks should educate themselves by strapping on body armor, grabbing a rifle, and get into formation. You give the bad guys time to grab weapons and aim down the fatial funnel there would be more blue blood spilled.

That's just the latest propaganda used to justify the a dangerous and unconstitutional practice. When no-knock warrants were coming into vogue in the 1960's, the claimed justification was to prevent drug dealers from flushing the evidence before the LEO's made entrance and secured the scene.

Chas.

Javier730 wrote:No knock warrants should only be used when police know for sure there is a fugitive in the home they are going in, in my opinion.

In view of a rich history of judges who will sign any warrant requested, including no-knock warrants, and an equally rich history of no-knock warrants being abused and overused, no-knock warrants should be made unlawful. Arguing that people cannot be taken into custody outside of their home without greater danger to officers and the public is bogus. It's done all the time. In fact, until the increased militarization of law enforcement and the use of military style tactics and weapons, it was the method of choice.

If anyone doubts that some judges will sign any warrant requests, just consider so-called "no refusal" holidays. While I don't have a problem with arresting and prosecuting drunk drivers, I have a very big problem with a judge sitting by a phone with a pin in his or her hand ready to issue a warrant for every request submitted. Every judge involved in such unconstitutional tactics should be disbarred and prosecuted for official oppression. No end result is worth destroying constitutional protections.

Chas.

Deputies said they bought drugs from the house and came back with a no-knock warrant to arrest a man known to have drugs and weapons, WSB reported.

Nothing will change, nothing.

Chas.