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by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 10:06 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

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matriculated wrote:
pbwalker wrote:But I can pretty much guarantee that is he's elected for a second term, there will be some gun related legislation he will happily sign, and we won't like the results.
That's exactly what everyone of our persuasion on gun rights was saying before he started his first term, and I'm still waiting on all that. Sometimes peoples' hatred of the man simply seems to cloud reality to where it's indistinguishable from their personal paranoia and fears.
You either intentionally remain ignorant of all that Obama has done to hurt gun owners, or you are intentionally misleading in your posts. Either way, you have proven yourself a troll since the first day you joined the forum.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 10:04 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

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matriculated wrote:What's the end result of what each of the men did? Obama passed National Parks Carry . . .
No, he most certainly did not "Pass National Carry." We rammed it down his throat. The level of intellectual dishonest on this bill is astonishing.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 10:01 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

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Heartland Patriot wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
The Mad Moderate wrote:Not always about intent, if he had a problem with it I'm sure e would not have signed it with the National Parks amendment attached.
You couldn't be more wrong. He had a huge problem with it and tried to get the National Parks language stripped from the bill. He signed it because he couldn't veto the so-call credit card bill he said was critical to American consumers.

Why do you Obama supporters keep trying to refer to this bill as something Obama wanted?

Chas.
Mr. Cotton, I know what you say about the National Parks thing is true, but do you have an accurate accounting of the firearms legislation that Mitt Romney signed as Governor of Mass.? I keep hearing so many things about it, that I'm not sure which side to believe on it. I figure if anyone had the straight scoop, it would be you (or maybe TAM).
No I don't. As I said, Romney isn't even my 3rd choice, but he's much better than Obama. He also knows he needs the support of gun owners to get reelected for a 2nd term, something he didn't need to be elected or reelected as Gov. of Mass.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 9:44 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

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The Mad Moderate wrote:Not always about intent, if he had a problem with it I'm sure e would not have signed it with the National Parks amendment attached.
You couldn't be more wrong. He had a huge problem with it and tried to get the National Parks language stripped from the bill. He signed it because he couldn't veto the so-called credit card bill he said was critical to American consumers.

Why do you Obama supporters keep trying to refer to this bill as something Obama wanted?

If Obama is so pro-gun, why did 1) he order the DOD to crush all .223 and .308 brass; 2) instruct the BLM to take millions of acres of federal land away from hunters and sport shooters; 3) appoint two rabidly anti-Second Amendment "Justices" to the U.S. Supreme Court; 4) block importation of M1 Garands (crawfished on that one); 5) instruct his Secretary of State (Clinton) to support a UN small arms treaty, just to name a few?

Do you truly believe a second-term Obama wouldn't show his true anti-gun colors? How about his whispering to the Russian to let him get through his last election so he'll have "more flexibility" and undermine U.S. security by canceling the anti- missile program? Do you think he's not saying the same thing about gun control also? Does his statement about "Castle doctrine" laws in view of the Trayvon Martin case not give you an idea what he thinks about self-defense laws.

You need to go back to your Loaded Liberal screen name, or whatever it is. :lol:

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 9:36 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

Re: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada

smoothoperator wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:I seriously doubt that you believe there is no difference between Romney and Obama, and certainly not on Second Amendment issues.
Far from it. As Governor, Romney signed a law to ban 2A Militia guns. As President, signed a law that finally lets me carry in National Parks. I plan to vote on results, not cheap talk and posturing.
Do you really not know about the bill he signed with the National Parks language, or are you posturing? Surely you know the National Parks language was a rider to his vaunted credit card bill and that he tried to get the National Parks language stripped. Failing in that attempt, he signed the bill because he made it a major issue. Touting his signature on a credit card bill and implying that Obama wanted to expand Second Amendment rights is laughable.

Are you saying you're going to vote for Obama?

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 7:11 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

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GeekDad wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
GeekDad wrote:Again Chaz... with all due respect... Its the people that your generation have voted blindly (voting the lesser of 2 evils) into office that my generation has to clean up... and Ron Paul is a republican, but by the standards of Robert Taft that the now Neo Conservative Republican party has deserted ...
One more time sport and you're gone. Starting off with "all due respect" then launching a personal insult doesn't fly.
Chas.
I apologize, It was not meant to be a personal attack... this is obviously a heated argument and it is something that I hold dear to my heart because of my 3 kids and the impending economy crash that neither Romney nor Obama will fix and are only accelerating the issue.
Thanks, apology accepted. I've said things I've regretted in the heat of battle also, so I understand.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 5:15 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

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psijac wrote:From a social issues stand point Paul is as far from republican as anyone can get. Which ties into his limited government stance. Can't really get into those issues on this board though.
You're right, we can't. But perhaps it's time to dispel a myth. I'm not saying I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul only because he cannot win. I would never vote for Ron Paul for anything ever, because I despise his position on those things we cannot discuss. He has been my congressman for a few years now because of redistricting and I never voted for him once, even though he was sure to win.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 5:02 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

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GeekDad wrote:Also, Ron Paul would destroy Obama in a landslide...
There's no reason to try to discuss this with you any longer. This is so absurd it's beyond comprehension. He can't even get the Republican nomination and you claim he beats Obama?

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 4:59 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

Re: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada

GeekDad wrote:Again Chaz... with all due respect... Its the people that your generation have voted blindly (voting the lesser of 2 evils) into office that my generation has to clean up... and Ron Paul is a republican, but by the standards of Robert Taft that the now Neo Conservative Republican party has deserted ...
One more time sport and you're gone. Starting off with "all due respect" then launching a personal insult doesn't fly.
Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 3:58 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

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GeekDad wrote:
With all due respect Chas, I find it funny you don't like Ron Paul but you like the Tea Party to which it was Ron Paul's Grassroots movement he started in 2008 that was the catalysis for the Tea Party... Irony?
Also, you are dead wrong about Ron Paul... and I find it funny that the only presidential candidate pulling in 9K - 10K sized crowds every where he speaks is the guy that does not have a shot to win. Stop watching Faux News.
No offense taken. Ron Paul did not create the Tea Party movement. Many people attracted to the Tea Party principals are Ron Paul supporters, but that doesn't mean he is the founder. It would be more accurate to credit Fred Koch as the founder of the idea that became the Tea Party Movement. Tea Party Republicans support reduced government, reduced taxes (especially entitlement programs) and they oppose government bailouts. Obviously, there's more to the Movement's position on issues. What you do not find in the Tea Party philosophy are the ultra-liberal, anarchist planks in the Libertarian Party Platform. Ron Paul is not a Republican at heart, he's a Libertarian who became a RINO to get elected. I too support a much smaller government, reduced spending, no more government bailouts and an "original intent" approach the the Constitution. I strongly oppose Ron Paul because of his position on other issues. I also oppose him because even if elected, he couldn't get anything passed. In 27 years in Congress, he passed two meaningless bills! When we finally get enough true conservatives in Washington, we need a President who can help get "our" legislation passed, not one someone who takes a "everything my way or nothing" attitude.
GeekDad wrote:To Everyone else.
So what you are really saying that only sell outs to Goldman Sachs (Obama and Romney) and other big campaign contributors can only be President...
When are you guys going to realize... the 4 years you are enduring now would have been the exact same as a Romney administrations... Romney = Obama, their is no difference except the little letter next to their names!

When is the general public going to stop voting for a party and start voting on Principal... Even if you don't like Ron Paul, or don't agree with what he says... you could still vote for him and actually know EXACTLY what you are going to get under his administration. The man has never been bought.
One man's "principal" is another man's political irresponsibility. Ron Paul can never get elected President and you know it, otherwise you wouldn't characterize a vote for him as being one made on principal. Casting a vote that keeps Obama in office for another four years is unthinkable in my view. I seriously doubt that you believe there is no difference between Romney and Obama, and certainly not on Second Amendment issues. Battling windmills doesn't bring about change. Vote for Tea Party Republicans in the House and Senate and as their numbers and strength grow, change will come.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Wed May 16, 2012 2:59 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

Re: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada

Ron Paul has stated he "has put an end to actively campaigning for the Republican Nomination." In an attempt to save face, he does claim he's going to continue to try to garner delegates so he can put a voice to his position on various political issues. Here is just one of many sources: http://www.kptv.com/story/18375804/ron- ... ampaigning" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Folks can play word games all they like, but when you decide not to participate in any state primaries that have not voted, you have dropped out of the race. There's no other rational conclusion. Yes, he wants to have a voice in the Republican Convention, yes he hopes to have Romney adopt some of his positions, but he knows he can't get the nomination and a "suspension of the active campaign" in "states that haven't votes yet" is dropping out of the race.

Romney isn't my first choice; heck he's not my third choice, but he's the only choice. Ron Paul is likely to run as an independent and that works to Obama's benefit. If he truly cared about this county, instead of his own ego, he wouldn't do one single thing that helps to keep Obama in office another four years.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Sun May 13, 2012 3:44 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

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The best hope for smaller, less intrusive government lies with Tea Party Republicans. They truly represent small government and since they work within the Republican Party, they can and do get elected. It won't happen over night; it will take several elections. Libertarians will never win any significant offices in significant numbers because there's far more wrong with their philosophy than there is right.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Thu May 10, 2012 8:49 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

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This thread is getting far off track and I'm unfortunately as much a part of the problem as anyone else. I should have stayed out of the abortion arena and I apologize. The fact is Ron Paul is a Libertarian not a Republican and his views would not be supported by even a miniscule percentage of Republicans, independents and conservatives of any flavor.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Thu May 10, 2012 8:46 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada
Replies: 108
Views: 15060

Re: Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana, Maine, and Nevada

pbwalker wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:pro-abortion
Pro-Choice ≠ Pro-Abortion
Yes it does! Without laws prohibiting abortion, people will still use it as belated birth control. 95% of abortions have nothing to do with a risk to the health of the mother, rape, or incest. It's birth control after the fact -- purely a matter of convenience.

You wouldn't buy it if I said "I'm against murder, but that's a personal choice and we shouldn't have any laws against it."

Chas.

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