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mez1st wrote:Is there a signup list yet, or will signups be onsite? Sounds like a great event, looking forward to it (thank you for Saturday not Sunday!)

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Y2bad4u wrote:Where can we sign up?

I'm working on the registration module now and hope to have it up in the next few days.

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
RPBrown wrote:It appears that Oct. 24th is the date. Charles, can you confirm that so I can change my vacation date.
Yep, October 24th is it for 2009. In 2010, it will move to the 4th Saturday in April.

Chas.

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The PSC Board has approved our request to waive the non-member fee for the 2009 TexasCHLforum Day at PSC, in an on-going effort by the Club to promote training and education in the safe use of firearms. While I am on the PSC Board, I was not at the Board meeting when this vote was taken. (I was at home nursing some kind of bug.) PSC gets a lot of requests for free range use and we cannot approve all, or even a significant portion, of them, without severely impacting our members' access to the range. However, we have a long history of supporting several law enforcement agencies in our area, as well as youth organizations like the Boy Scouts, 4-H and others.

Since the Board has waived the non-member fee, we are able to set the event fee at $15 per person. This will cover your catered lunch, plus about $3 toward the lunches we provide to the instructors and event staff. Every one of them donates their time and talents and the least we can do is feed them!

As noted in another post, I plan to post an event schedule in July or August and we will start taking registrations then. I have found a registration module that may work for us and if so, it will make registering much easier for everyone. You will be able to check the website to see what clinics, mini-clinics and seminars are still available, and you can register online and receive a confirmation. This beats the "manual" system we've been using, but only a little experimentation will tell if this is going to work for us.

If you would like to express your appreciation to the PSC Board for their support of this event, just send an email to Directors@psc-range.com

Chas.

Aggie_engr wrote:So open is okay as long as it's unloaded? Just trying to figure this out before hand and thanks for the replies Señor Cotton!

Yep, unloaded open-carry is fine.

Chas.

Aggie_engr wrote:What about the condition of our firearms while in attendance? Do they have to stay concealed, are they not allowed to be carried around loaded, obviously open carry in my blackhawk retention holster would be the most comfortable for the duration of the day.

Club rules require a cold range; i.e. no loaded guns except on the firing line. There is an exception for CHLs. You can carry a hot gun if you keep it concealed. As a practical matter, anyone can do that, since no one checks to see if you have a CHL.

Chas.

I'll post a registration form toward the latter part of the summer. I have to line up instructors and do other planning that will effect the event schedule that goes on the registration form. I would like to have an online registration program installed by then, but that's probably not likely.

Chas.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Charles:
Maybe I missed it somewhere above, but what is the signup process for this event?

Will it be posted on this thread?

In what manner do we pay our fees, and to whom/what entity?

Will we be able to "open carry" at PSC during the event?

Do we bring our own ammo, or must we buy from PSC?

I'm looking forward to a 287 mile trip down to attend! (Thanks Mapquest)

Thanks for putting this great event together.

It looks like we all can put a real face with the screen names!!

RPBrown wrote:It appears that Oct. 24th is the date. Charles, can you confirm that so I can change my vacation date.

Yep, October 24th is it for 2009. In 2010, it will move to the 4th Saturday in April.

Chas.

neilp wrote:A question: I have a 12 year old son. He goes to the range with me so he is aware of safety rules etc. Are kids his age welcome?

Neil

Absolutely!!

Chas.

kthxtn wrote:Charles,

This event sounds wonderful. Being a fairly new member of PSC with little experience with guns, my wife and I plan to attend to gain more knowledge and experience. I would like to volunteer to help out with the event as a way to contribute to PSC. While I have little experience with guns, I am quite experience with photography and would love to "shoot" the event if such services are desired.

kthxtn

Thanks for the offer and we'd love to have you photograph the event!

Chas.

Update on event fee:

We are going to have lunch catered by a local Mexican food restaurant that catered lunch for a recent PSC "workday." It was excellent and we should be able to get a per person price that will let us greatly reduce the event fee. Pending PSC Board approval to waive the non-member fee, we plan to reduce the fee to $15 and this will include lunch.

I will be able to confirm the event fee within the next ten days or so.

Chas.

SlowDave wrote:I'm gonna ask the stupid question: what does "PSC" stand for? It sounds very interesting, but it's a good piece of drive from San Antonio. Doubt I'll realistically make it, but there's a chance. Sounds very cool, so would be great if I could make it.

PSC Shooting Club, a membership range in Friendswood, about 30 miles south of downtown Houston. I hope you can make it.

Chas.

pbwalker wrote:any opportunities for those not giving any instruction to volunteer with anything? Clean-up, setup, 'gopher', etc.?

You bet there is! Thanks for asking. When we get a schedule set, we'll post a list of volunteers we need.

Chas.

CainA wrote:Charles, can you give the cost of participating in this event please, I may have missed it since I didn't read your post word for word.

Thanks,
-Cain

We want to make it free, but that's probably not possible. We have to pay/guarantee the Bun-Stuffers for the number of people registered plus staff and we have to pay a non-member fee to PSC for everyone who is not a PSC member. This has been paid, or at least subsidized, out of the IDPA match fund, but we can't keep doing that.

The fee will probably be in the $20 to $30 range.

Chas.

Here is a copy of the event description from last year. While it is likely we will keep the same clinics, mini-clinics and seminars, the instructors may change. These people committed to teach based upon last year's schedule, so they may not be available this year.

Chas.

2008 TexasCHLforum Day at PSC Event Description wrote:Changes for This Year

In an ongoing effort to make it possible for people to attend more seminars and clinics, we are changing the format for this year's event. The goal is to break down some of the clinics into discrete aspects of shooting and offer those subjects as mini-clinics. A mini-clinic will be 45 minutes long and will be limited to six students. Every mini-clinic will be offered at three different times during the day to make it possible for people to schedule their day so as to cover almost all of the subjects offered this year. Seminars will be one hour long. Clinics, mini-clinics and seminars will require registration, so the sooner you send in your Registration Form, the greater your chance of getting the schedule you want. As before, there will be activities available all day.

The day's events are listed below, along with a brief description of their content.

Thanks for your interest and we hope to see you at the 2008 TexasCHLforum Day at PSC.

Chas.
Shooting Clinics (1 3/4 hrs.):
Defensive Shotgun [Instructor - Gregg Garrett]

This is the first year a defensive shotgun course has been offered, so it is likely to be a very popular clinic. Gregg Garrett has taught the Moving Shooters, Moving Target clinics for the last two years and he decided to offer this clinic in response to many shooters' request. In all likelihood, this clinic will be fully booked very early in the registration process, so get your registration forum in quickly. Limit: 15 students

Ladies Only: General Pistol Skills & Drills [Instructor - Donna Vandermolen]

This clinic has been offered every for the last two years and it has always been a perennial favorite with the ladies. Donna paces the clinic to match the skill and experience level of her students. The clinic will include some instruction on the basics of pistol shooting, but it will then move into more advanced drills and techniques. Limit: 15 students

Introduction to IDPA Competition [Instructor - Steve Vandermolen]

This clinic is an overview of the sport of International Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA) shooting. Steve covers IDPA rules, competitive tactics and issues and provides hands-on experience shooting typical IDPA-style scenarios. Limit: 15 students
Mini-Clinics (45 minutes); Limit 6 students:

Basics: Proper grip, trigger control, sight alignment & picture [Instructor - Eric Achord]

The basic skills covered in this mini-clinic were previously part of a full 2-hour shooting clinic. As with all mini-clinics, the Basics mini-clinic will be offered three times during the day and will focus on the fundamentals of good shooting. Until the proper grip, trigger control and sight alignment and picture are mastered, any attempt to learn more advanced shooting and engagement tactics is premature. This mini-clinic is perfect for the beginning shooter, but it's also a very good tune-up for experienced shooters who may have developed some bad habits. Just as professional baseball players take batting practice, even the most experienced shooters should periodically spend a little time on the basics.

Drawing and Engaging [Jim Duncan]

Focus will be on basic drawing and initial engagement of a threat target. The goal of this mini-clinic is to help students master the skill of quickly and safely drawing their handgun and firing the first one or two defensive shots. Equally important is learning to safely reholster without the muzzle sweeping any part of your body, or innocent bystanders. As with most skills, repetition is the key to developing a smooth, fast, safe draw stroke and this is equally true for reholstering. Special note: Bring a holster that allows for one-handed reholstering! Holsters that "close up" when the pistol is drawn will invariably result in the shooter putting their hand/fingers at risk when they reholster.

Purses & Fanny Packs [Instructor - Marc Gentine]

Much like the Drawing and Engaging mini-clinic, focus will be on drawing, initial engagement and "reholstering" of a handgun from purses and fanny packs. These popular methods of carrying a defensive handgun present special safety and tactical issues not present when carrying a handgun in a belt holster or inside the waistband holster (IWB). If you are interested in this mini-clinic, be sure the handgun you bring is appropriately sized for the purse or fanny pack you will use. Special note: Although it is not required, it is strongly recommended that you use a true holster purse with a separate compartment for securing your pistol. It is also recommended that the purse be a side-access rather than top-access purse. If the purse you use doesn't have these features, don't hesitate to take the mini-clinic with it.

Speed Reloading [Instructor - J.P. Guidry]

Empty guns in a gunfight are not bad luck or poor planning, they are just a fact of life. For years there has been an on-going discussion about "round counting" to prevent running your gun dry. However, real-life experience proves very few if any people are capable of doing this when they are the victim of a deadly encounter. This mini-clinic will teach students techniques for performing fast and secure reloads, both when the gun runs dry, or as a tactical reload before the pistol goes to slide lock. This mini-clinic covers speed reloading of semi-autos only -- not revolvers.

Malfunction Drills [Instructor - Jason Hall]

Learning proper techniques for clearing stoppages and diligently practicing those techniques is somewhat like weeding the flower beds. It has to be done, but finding excuses not to do it is quite easy. Students will learn and practice techniques for clearing the three most common causes of malfunctions in semi-automatic pistols: improperly seated magazines, "stove pipes," and the dreaded "double-feed." Focus will be on the use of gross motor skills in these drills, as fine motor skills will be greatly diminished, perhaps nonexistent, during a fight for your life.

Retention Shooting & Withdrawal [Instructor - Ed Williams]

Focus will be on drawing and firing on a threat target from "kissing close" distances. Many if not most violent attacks on innocent victims occur at close range where it is either impossible or imprudent to draw and extend the shooting arm(s). Also covered is withdrawing or "getting out of the hole" while delivering effective fire on your attacker as you retreat. This mini-clinic was designed to address the challenges of dealing with a deadly attack that experience shows will most likely be quick, close and violent. Learning the skills necessary to deal with such threats is critical, but equally important is learning one's limitations. "I think I can make this shot" is a deadly outlook; learn what you can realistically do under pressure.

Engaging Multiple Targets [Instructor - G.C. Montgomery]

Whether shooting in competition, defending yourself or another person, or simply trying look really good to your girlfriend or boyfriend, effectively and consistently engaging multiple targets is a skill that should be mastered. Competitive shooting in IDPA or USPSA matches always involves shooting at multiple targets. Unfortunately, recent FBI studies indicate that well over 60% violent attacks involve multiple assailants and this includes both home invasion burglaries and assaults on the street. This mini-clinic covers techniques for quickly and effectively engaging multiple threat targets. The natural tendency is to simply point the gun at the 2nd threat and pull the trigger as fast as possible. The old adage that "you can't miss fast enough to win a gun fight applies equally to the 2nd, 3rd, or 10th assailant as to the first. This mini-clinic will give you the knowledge and drills to dramatically improve your multiple-threat engagement skills.

Shooting on the Move [Instructor - Tim Fisher]

Moving is as much a part of defensive shooting as pulling the trigger; at least it had better be if you want to survive. Many people who marvel at their shooting prowess when standing still shooting at a target that is equally still wonder "what happeded!?" when they are forced to shoot on the move. Subtle factors like shooting on cadence or letting one's feet determine when to pull the trigger are problems that can be overcome only by recognizing the issue and practicing proper engagement techniques while moving.

Cover & Concealment -- Proper Use [Instructor - Dave Cochran]

Proper use of cover and/or concealment can be the determining factors in surviving a deadly attack. As Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch says, "pie the corner, don't step out full-on stupid!" One might think that the proper use of cover/concealment is intuitive, but that is hardly the case. Experience has shown that our natural instincts about using cover/concealment are counterproductive. This mini-clinic will teach proper methods and techniques for using various types of cover/concealment, including the proper methods for approaching cover/concealment so as to minimize the tendency to make crucial mistakes. The skills learned can and should be practiced in your home with an unloaded gun.

Moving Targets [Instructor TBA]

Just as moving while shooting at an attacker is part of a gun fight, having to shoot at an assailant who simply will not cooperate and stand still for a moment is also part of a gun fight. Seriously though, except in close quarters fighting when attacker and victim have their hands on each other, it is highly likely that it will be necessary to engage a threat that is shooting while running. This mini-clinic will expose students to the difficulties of engaging a target that is moving, and it will provide solutions to this problem. Much of the answer to dealing with such attacks is mental attitude but the physical skill set for moving targets is different from engaging a static target.

Seminars:

Awareness [Speaker Steve Vandermolen]

This one hour seminar is not really a seminar on shooting. It is better described as a seminar on how to avoid having to shoot. After all, the best gun fight is the one you never had to fight! This informative, thought-provoking discussion is something everyone periodically needs to hear and Mr. Vandermolen makes it an enjoyable hour.

Ladies Issues [Speaker Donna Vandermolen]

Donna Vandermolen is an active competitor in IDPA matches and not just at local matches. She has competed many times in various state championships and the IDPA National Championships and she has earned many trophies and special recognition. She uses this experience to help her students in the several classes she teaches every year. Donna was also a California Highway Patrolman for many years before coming to Texas. Ms. Vandermolen has created a very popular seminar for ladies using her vast experience to address issues of special importance to women.

Christians, Weapons & Self-Defense [Speaker Marc Gentine]

This unique seminar delves into issues that many people find themselves addressing when they seriously consider owning and/or carrying a handgun for self-defense. Its purpose is not to evangelize, but to address concerns that some Christians may be grappling with by providing Scriptural answers to these issues.

TABC Laws & Procedures [Speaker Stephen Rothstein]

An issue commonly discussed on http://www.TexasCHLforum.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is how to determine if a given establishment is off-limits to Texas Concealed Handgun Licensees (CHLs), pursuant to Texas Penal Code §46.035(b)(1) that prohibits carrying a firearm in an establishment that derives 51% or more of its revenue from the sale of alcohol for on-premises consumption (a/k/a 51% locations). While the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code requires such locations to post a 51% sign, if the bar fails to do so, a CHL can still be prosecuted. Mr. Rothstein is with the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission and he is responsible for training their agents. He will explain how to determine if a location is truly off-limits to CHLs and he will address other issues such as the scope of the off-limits areas in locations that house several businesses under the same roof.

Training Opportunities (discussion of courses, schools & instructors available locally and nationwide) [Speaker Charles Cotton]

Everyone involved in shooting whether for sport or self-defense should take advantage of training opportunities that are within their budgets. This seminar discusses the various schools, instructors and courses available in Texas and throughout the country. The goal is to provide an overview of the types of training available in terms of the subject matter covered, length of the courses, location and course costs. Whether you have never fired a shot, or you are an accomplished shooter, this seminar is for you.

All Day Events

The following events will be on-going for all or most of the day. No registration is required for these specific events (overall registration is required) and people are invited to stop by and have fun.

Texas Stars (two)

The Texas Stars are always a crowd favorite. Each of the "stars" is a spoked wheel with five 8" plates at the end of each spoke. The object of the star is to shoot each of the five plates off the spoke before your opponent can clear the star. It's fun, it's challenging, it's frustrating and you'll be talking about how much fun it was for weeks.

Find the Gun for You [formerly Battlefield Pick-up]

This event will run for several hours, but not all day. The set up time prevents it from being available throughout the entire event. Several guns of various configurations and calibers will be available for shooting. A very generous offer by a local manufacturer has allowed us to make ammo available for sale. If you don't want to shoot a full 50 rd. box, then get with a friend and split the ammo. (We cannot sell partial boxes.) We will not make a profit on ammo sales; we will sell it for the price we have to pay. If you've been considering a new gun but would like to try it out first, this may well be your chance.

Plate Rack

The name is pretty self-explanatory. The two PSC plate racks will be available for shooting all day. The racks consist of 8" round plates, triangles, bowling pin-shaped steel, each with a resetting rope to eliminate the necessity of setting them up after each shooter. If you are concerned about not having to carry a bunch of ammo home, this is a great way to make sure you don't face that problem! Like the Texas Stars, the plate rack is a favorite for open shooting.

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