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ScottDLS wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:27 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:11 pm ...
SBR is a form 1.... much quicker than a year. And if you form 1 a suppressor, that’s a lot faster too.

Good point...if you build them. On the AR15 I was going to build it, so I could always Form 1 SBR. Though there's a shop near me that sells SBR's. Or I could build a standard AR and wait for Form 1 before adding the short upper. Do they still take the electronic forms? For a silencer (suppressor), forget it. Too much to build.

Yes, I believe that Form 1s are still managed over the Internet.

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:15 am

Charles L. Cotton wrote: ↑Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:19 pm I would lean toward an AR pistol or SBR in either a pistol caliber or .223/5.56. 30 rds, little to no recoil, light weight, mounted flashlight, red-dot sight or iron sights and a green laser. I'm not a fan of lasers, but indoor, especially at night, it might be just what he needs. (A Form 1 SBR "build" doesn't take long for approval. It could be a pistol until paperwork is approved.)

Chas.

That's very interesting. My dad (80) was just asking me about getting an AR platform rifle for HD. He has a Glock 17 currently, but lives in Dallas where he is getting concerned with multiple intruder home invasion scenario (perhaps "mostly peaceful" protesters). He's in pretty good shape and would have no issue with recoil/weight/stance...and Mom shot an AR at their friend's ranch in OK and was very accurate. I think a SBR would be nice, but the new M4 "style" AR carbines at 16" really are pretty easy to handle. Add a red dot sight and flashlight, like you suggested....and I think I'm going to build him one. We have a new gun store near me that sells stripped lowers and he can come buy the serialized part, then I'll order all the rest online and build...

One item I was thinking about for an AR for HD is a silencer (suppressor). The noise from an AR is pretty horrendous without hearing protection. Maybe in that case, with the length of the silencer, I might lean toward a SBR. Two stamps and a year wait....

SBR is a form 1.... much quicker than a year. And if you form 1 a suppressor, that’s a lot faster too.

flechero wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:06 am We will be spending some quality range time together, eventually, but live in different parts of the state.

I did a lot of research on ammo performance and think I've ruled out the 410 shotgun. So with that, I'm thinking of buying a semi auto PCC and a levergun in 357/38. Then we can spend a day at the range together, with those and a few handguns for him to try. I'll plan on storing whatever he likes and handles best at his house for the times when we go up to visit.

Thanks for all the suggestions and advice, great things to consider and very helpful.

I’m coming up on 68, and own a Ruger 9mm PCC, as well as ARs in both SBR and pistol format. I also own a lever rifle, but it’s a .30-30, so way too much for an inside the house gun. I also own 12 gauge shotguns in both semiauto and pump format.

Hint.... I recently sold a .45-70 lever rifle to another forum member because my shoulder joint could no longer handle the recoil. Recoil on a 12 gauge pump action approaches that kind of thump, and is close to the limit of what I can tolerate without flinching anymore. However, recoil on a semiauto shotgun is less severe. Mossberg makes a nice one in 20 gauge which might be even easier to handle. Things to think about.

I’d be fairly comfortable recommending an AR or SBR, as long as he’s comfortable with the manual arms—but if he hates evil black rifles the way you describe, that’s probably out of the question.

That said, I’m very comfortable recommending the Ruger PCC. Despite being black and a semiauto, it has more of a "traditional" layout than an AR. Available capacity is higher than any lever action (except maybe a Red Rider BB gun ), recoil is very mild, and even though it comes with decent iron sights, it also comes with the ability to mount an inexpensive "instant on" RDS with a long battery life. Also, with the 16” barrel, you’ll pick up a lot more velocity out of a 9mm. The one downside I can think of is the relative unavailability of 9mm ammo right now. But ordering it in bulk online is still a possibility. (We sell it in our shop, but we sell out of it every day, and we never have more than a few 100 rounds on hand anyway.) I have a suppressor for mine, but if you weren’t interested in going that route, I’d echo Rob72's recommendation to attach some kind of forward-facing muzzle device that would direct the muzzle blast toward the target and away from your dad.

You say he’s in Dallas..... I’m in North Richland Hills. If he’d like to try shooting my PCC, I’d be happy to meet him at a range and let him try shooting mine.