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Animal wrote:Annoying Man - I have actually been reading this site since I got my CHL around 5 years ago and started in the "Waiting Room". I was registered but rarely posted, so I could not find/remember my log in info. That is why I re-registered to post this information.

I carry a 1911 in condition 1 at 3 o'clock in a Whitehat IWB holster. I hope that is OK with you......

As far as the information on the hunters laying down, that came from Greg Simons Facebook page. He is the landowner and a friend of a friend.

In other words, did you join because you're a CHL, or did you join simply in order to post a complaint against Goodfellow base security, backed up by incomplete information?

I posted because I was interested in getting the perspectives of people on this board and letting others know about a potentially bad situation. I can point you to many other posts that are further off topic than this one, so I am not sure why there is an issue. I notice that you are not listed as one of the moderators and neither one of them have expressed a problem with the post.

As far as "incomplete information" is there any other kind? I am posting on a message board, not presenting in a court of law.

With all due respect, there is no need to call me names. I'm not calling you names. "Annoying Man" is not my username, and I'd appreciate it if you'd either use my correct username, OR, pending that, just use "TAM" like a lot of other people do.

Animal, please don't get your feathers ruffled on my account. I was not questioning your facts, but was interested in more details and the news story didn't have them, and I have learned over the years to question a source until there is a more complete picture, that is all. I have no idea who Greg Simmons is, what he does, or anything about his Facebook page.

As far as your gun choice, I love 1911s, but you certainly do not need my approval for what you carry, and I did not come close to suggesting that such approval was necessary. Since neither I (nor likely anybody else) knew that you were a long time member - for exactly the reasons you've outlined (i.e. "I was registered but rarely posted, so I could not find/remember my log in info. That is why I re-registered to post this information.") - I can be forgiven for assuming that you were brand new to the board. And since that was a natural assumption, I was merely curious since most new members post here for other reasons, having to do directly with CHL. That's all I meant, and nothing more.

BTW, I spent the last 2 days dove hunting too - so it's not like we don't have anything in common - and the inappropriate abuse of hunters by law enforcement outside of their jurisdictions absolutely concerns me. But unhappy encounters with LEOs are often (but not always) a two-sided story, and that is why I mentioned "incomplete" facts. I'm not saying your facts are wrong. I am that there are perhaps additional unknown facts that help to explain the known facts. If there are no such additional facts which would expand on our initial understanding, then this is a truly disturbing story. But I am left wondering if there are additional facts. That's all I meant. I don't need to be a moderator to have that privilege. Nobody does. Please consider that possibility.

Peace out.

Animal wrote:http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/local-n ... t_15477637

Apparently these guys were hunting on private property adjacent to Goodfellow AFB and were detained by the MP's. All I can say is WOW!

From Greg Simons FB

I'm disappointed in our local Goodfellow Airforce Base Security for what they did today. On a farm field that we lease that's adjacent to the Base, surrounded b...y a security fence, they swarmed our group of 6 hunters, made them lay on their belly, spread eagle, for almost 30 minutes at gunpoint, two of them on asphalt in almost 100 degree temps and would not let them move, with our hunters pleading with them. One was laying in a red ant bed and they would not let him move. Our local police officers arrived and sorted matters out, assuring the Airforce security that all was okay. Airforce security visited with these same hunters earlier today telling them that all was good, asking who they (security) should contact to get permission to hunt the property. What's even more amazing is that our local television news was there and minutes earlier had finished filming an interview on the importance of hunting to our local economy. Appears they may have also filmed this very unfortunate event. Seems to me that Goodfellow should provide a formal apology to some folks. I'm thankful to our local police department for intervening and providing some relief to this matter.

Animal, first let me welcome you to the forum. I have a few questions for you if you don't mind.....

My first question is this:

• Were you personally involved in this event? I ask, because the story you linked to contains no information about a hunter being made to lie on a fire ant bed, or the others being made to lie on burning hot asphalt for 30 minutes without relief. Ergo, the additional information is either:
  
  1. first hand (you were involved), or
  2. second hand (someone you know personally was involved).
  Third hand (everyone's talking about it) doesn't count. So what is your relationship to the hunters who were held?

My second question is this:

• Do you have a CHL, if so, for how long, and can you tell us a little bit about yourself..... such as, what kind of pistol do you carry, what kind of holster do you like, etc., etc...... in other words, things pertaining to CHL? I ask because although we do discuss other topics here, CHL is the reason for the forum's existence, and it is the reason most people join. Most topics center around various issues that affect people with CHLs.....and your first and second posts involve something unrelated to CHL. In other words, did you join because you're a CHL, or did you join simply in order to post a complaint against Goodfellow base security, backed up by incomplete information?

Thank you in advance for taking the time to answer.