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tomneal wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:05 pm Not a single successful prosecution?

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VMI77 wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

ScooterSissy wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I don't give a cup of warm spit for what someone else says I can wear, and frankly, I think it is shameful that anyone would be an apologist for this kind of crap. Someone is going to tell me that a club of dirtbags with a membership of only 2300 (worldwide) gets to tell a state with 27 MILLION people what they can and can't wear? That dog won't hunt, and shame on anybody who says that it should.

TAM, please look back and see where I said "should". If I did, it was a typo. I'm talking about the way things are, not the way they should be.

It's interesting, seems most folks on here have the attitude that the Cossacks, the MC that had the most die, were "scum" or "thugs"; yet this is the very attitude they had, and was largely the reason they've been at "war" with the Bandidos, and had 7 or 8 of their members die - the attitude that no one was going to tell them what rocker they could wear.

Now, are we suddenly going to see a change in attitude from forum members, and see them pronounced heroes for standing up for what they believe?

The "dirtbags" I referenced were the Banditos, which the article I quoted described as having a membership of 2300 "worldwide". I never referenced the Cossaks, who, by my reconning came to make peace. Re read my post.

The state of Texas has never granted the Banditos a charter to collect a fee for the privilege of putting a Texas rocker on their colors. Therefore, when they extort a fee backed up by an implied (and apparently quite real) threat of violence for "permission" to wear the rocker, that makes them a true criminal enterprise.......even if they never ran guns or sold drugs or murdered rivals, or any of the other crimes of which they are suspected. They have no LEGAL authority to demand or collect the fee, and they have no LEGAL authority to enforce their claim. That makes them a criminal gang. Period.

Near as I can tell, while the Cossaks may not be sweet little angels, they are willing to live and let live. As a philosophical libertarian, I say good for them. But, until the state grants them exclusive use of the word "Texas" on a rocker and authority to restrict its use, the Banditos club needs to be eradicated......just like any other criminal organization.

While I might agree that by the power of state violence it may be able to grant such authority or forcefully restrict such usage, the state has no more right to enforce such a claim than you or I. The State is not a private entity that can claim a trademark or copyright or patent.

treadlightly wrote:Sons of Arthritis, Ruckus Amongus, Jade Helm bikers, I can see I'm late to the party. Laughter is the best medicine for what ails you. It's even got a role in fighting murder, as paradoxical as that sounds.

Maybe there's been some progress. Surely the dignity of wearing a Texas rocker is dulled. One part of me wishes Texas rockers would appear everywhere, a wiser part of me wouldn't wear a Texas rocker on a bet. It's not the State's fault, but I'm at antipodes from what a Texas rocker currently stands for in the public eye.

Spit on a Texas rocker? No need to. The Bandidos already did.

Interesting, too, that nobody seems to be prosecuting the Bandidos for selling Texas. Kind of like selling the Brooklyn Bridge, isn't it?

Hmm.... Maybe a call to the Bexar District Attorney is in order. I'll say that since the Bandidos can sell Texas without drawing fire, so to speak, I figure I can sell Bexar. If they want to continue using their county name on letterhead I'd like them to send $10,000 a month to me.

Anybody want Travis county? I'll sign over any rights I have over the ownership of Travis county for a hundred grand, one time. No? Trade even for a Hi-Point? A couple of cankered .32 ACP wadcutters? Anything?

Dang. No takers. Must be all the liberals in Austin, running the price down.

mojo84 wrote:SS, this may say it in a way you can relate to better.

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This information is to educate you on the outlaw 1%er lifestyle, not to scare you away from riding. (And remember, please think before you respond to anything, don't do any bashing of anyone or any club on the e groups, forums or at any bars.) First off, the likelihood of anyone getting into a scrape with outlaws/1%er”s is slim to none unless you frequent their bars or hangouts. But make no mistake, this is very real. Since most bike clubs are “NOT” outlaw clubs, they will have no issue with you as long as you stay out of their “business” and follow biker protocol. There is rarely a problem at a public event or poker run but it is always possible. So lets start with the "Rocker" you hear about. The rocker is in the form of a half moon, for lack of a better term. Similar to the bottom of a rocking chair. If you think about it, you have all seen photos of "Hells Angels" and the way the patches are arched above and below the center patch. MC (Motorcycle Club) patch and the 1% diamond will also be found on their Cut (also referred to as Colors). There are also many other patches some clubs wear that only mean something to that particular club.

The 1% diamond is the key to identifying a 1%er. It is a patch in the shape of a diamond with “1%” on it. That is mostly worn on the left shoulder but is seen on the back of their colors also. They, (1%er's) ride mostly Harley’s only, along with their support clubs and almost all outlaw clubs, but that's another story. Flying a certain style of patch on the back of colors is how the outlaws identify who is or is not claiming territory. Territory is a huge issue and they will fight and/or kill over it if it comes to that. It’s just “Business”. The rocker or the bar style patch is not acceptable to 1%er's unless approved by them. And just because an M/C club wears “Rocker” or “Bar” style patch’s that doesn’t make them an outlaw club. You just have to learn who is who but your officers should have some knowledge on that.

As I said, most clubs are not outlaw clubs and don’t wear a top and bottom rocker. They may have a top rocker but if they have a bottom patch it will not have State, City or County wording on it , many times it will be the member’s road name. For example any club in Texas (unless it’s grand fathered by the Bandido’s) that’s not affiliated with Bandidos, (and other than a police club) are not allowed to fly the "Texas" patch ("Bar" or "Rocker") on the back. They have even forced some police clubs to remove the Texas rocker. Also, 99% of Bandido support clubs cannot wear Texas on the back. The Bandidos claim that right as an MC (Motorcycle Club) and will aggressively approach you if you are seen wearing it on the back of your colors. Most states have its dominant 1% club where the same rule applies. The Bandidos are the dominant club in Texas as well as several other states.

Target1911 wrote:I haven't seen not one person here say they were ok with the extortion. Only explanation of what has been going on. The hole reason the shooting happened is because the Cossacks felt they no longer should have to answer to another club. That's why they stopped paying dues and decided they would rock the Texas rocker.

Also. I don't believe the Christian group pays anything to anyone or answers to anyone. They were at the meeting for the reason the meeting is held. Motorcycle legislation and safety.

The reason who has what colors is an issue to them is I am sure they don't want to be mistaken for an owtlaw (or any other) club due to colors being too similar.

There are actually several benefit thy clubs that are not required to pay dues. The Christian group.... B.A.C.A. Which means BIKER AGAINST CHILD ABUSE. And yes...they still look like bikers but that doesn't mean they are outlaws.

ScooterSissy wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I don't give a cup of warm spit for what someone else says I can wear, and frankly, I think it is shameful that anyone would be an apologist for this kind of crap. Someone is going to tell me that a club of dirtbags with a membership of only 2300 (worldwide) gets to tell a state with 27 MILLION people what they can and can't wear? That dog won't hunt, and shame on anybody who says that it should.

TAM, please look back and see where I said "should". If I did, it was a typo. I'm talking about the way things are, not the way they should be.

It's interesting, seems most folks on here have the attitude that the Cossacks, the MC that had the most die, were "scum" or "thugs"; yet this is the very attitude they had, and was largely the reason they've been at "war" with the Bandidos, and had 7 or 8 of their members die - the attitude that no one was going to tell them what rocker they could wear.

Now, are we suddenly going to see a change in attitude from forum members, and see them pronounced heroes for standing up for what they believe?

Target1911 wrote:Oh....and one of the Cossacks killed is an AA pilot

Criminal? Yeah...OK

• http://www.aviationcriminal.com/
• http://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/23/us/cr ... ilots.html
• And the kicker....http://www.biography.com/people/frank-abagnale-20657335

AndyC wrote:

screaminz2002 wrote:Most of the time I dont feel the need to post here which is why I read and seldom post. I feel strongly enough that there is a lot wrong with everything that is being reported on this issue and am slightly confused at the overall sentiment on this forum.

You're being overly-sensitive - this isn't about bikers, this about gang-members who just HAPPEN to be bikers.

philip964 wrote:http://www.click2houston.com/news/multi ... g/33072020

Click 2 says police officers shot armed bikers. 12 officers were outside. 150 to 200 bikers were inside representing 5 gangs, they were discussing turf. Started in the bathroom moved to the restaurant and then moved to the parking lot.

I can't imagine the chain is very happy about this. I'm trying to figure out why the manager was doing this, maybe he only had good intentions and was trying to keep peace in his restaurant. Thus the timing, noon on Sunday.