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PaJ wrote:In my mind, there's a line between being prepared and paranoid. I am prepared to defend my life and family. I am also prepared for the day I breath my last breath. I try to live accordingly.

This.

Strat9mm wrote:

nightmare wrote:If that's directed to me, I leave judgment of innocence in God's hands. Man's got to know his limitations.

Regardless, I have no duty to protect a society that violates my rights, whether in matters great or small.

Humans who deliberately kill innocents, are no longer innocent themselves. The judgement and sentence are required to be carried out by the duly appointed GOVERNMENT.

Lev 24:17 ‘Anyone who takes the life of a human being is to be put to death.* [18] Anyone who takes the life of someone's animal must make restitution*—life for life. [19] Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: [20] fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth.* The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury. [21] Whoever kills an animal must make restitution,* but whoever kills a human being is to be put to death.* [22] You are to have the same law for the foreigner* and the native-born.*I am the LORD your God.' ”

As for your second statement, here is something to think about...

Lev 19:18 “ ‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

Mat 22:39 "Love your neighbor as yourself."

We have a duty to care for each other, primarily our family and loved ones, secondarily, our neighbors.

John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

Christ, Christian martyrs, and members of our Armed Forces and those who put their lives on the line, and especially those who give their lives for our nation, are excellent examples of John 15:13.

And in case no one has noticed, and I'm guessing very few have, the Old Testament was THE BIBLE for the early Christians for DECADES -after- Christ died.

A careful reading easily shows that the NEW TESTAMENT is a record of Jewish and non-Jewish converts to Christianity keeping God's Laws as Christ and the Apostles taught and kept them.

So much for the O.T. being declared 'obsolete' or no longer required to be obeyed by anyone.

If it wasn't, everyone should be thieving, raping and murdering right now.

Oh wait, they are... in arab countries.

Dude..... I'm 62 years old, and I've been a grateful follower of Jesus Christ and a student of the Bible for a bit of time now. We have more than one member here who actually pastor a church and are graduates of a recognized divinity school. I appreciate that you have faith, and praise God for that, but you're kind of preaching like nobody else has ever read God's Word, and it's coming off as just a tad bit arrogant. Honestly, you have exactly zero idea of what any other believers here understand about the authority of the OT in scriptural matters, so your statement (in red, above) assumes a LOT, and it is pretty over the top. Just sayin'..... And, God's word on Murder (which is clearly differentiated from "killing") is also extensively covered in other passages besides Leviticus 24:17-22....... i.e. Exodus 21:14; Leviticus 21:12-13; Deuteronomy 19:1-13..... and there are others.

The Bible VERY clearly distinguishes between homicide, and murder. The correct translation of 6th Commandment is to not murder. There are other passages in the Mosaic Law where the people of Israel are specifically told that there is a difference between killing a person who enters your dwelling uninvited in the middle the night, and killing that same intruder during daylight hours. In fact, that little tidbit permeates use of force and use of deadly force law here in Texas to this very day. Killing in self-defense IS permitted, but not if you provoked the fight. So you cannot make a blanket statement that one who takes the life of an innocent MUST receive death...... There is plenty of OT scriptural law to say that this is NOT necessarily the case.

Also, for better or for worse, there are a number of members here who are atheists. Biblical authority won't be acceptable to them as the justification for why we ought to be looking out for one another. You might be right that we should, but you have to be able to articulate that argument in terms that will make sense to people who do not share your faith.....or who have religious faith but are neither Christians nor Jews.

There has only ever been ONE innocent Man, and HE was hung on a cross almost 2100 years ago. If you believe that scripture is inerrant, whether it is OT, or NT, then you know that all of us deserve death, and that it is by God's grace alone what we are spared.........in this life.........for ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, including both you, and me. Neither of us is innocent, and if we are not condemned, then it is only because we are covered by the blood of the Lamb. So when you say "Humans who deliberately kill innocents, are no longer innocent themselves", expand your understanding. Murder is a heinous crime, but the victims were never innocent in eternal terms. We are all guilty. Some are just more guilty than others. Personally, I love Christ's parable of the pharisee and the tax collector who went to the temple to pray (Luke 18:9-14). I am the tax collector. Don't be the pharisee.

As my signature line says, a ragamuffin knows he is only a beggar at the door of God's mercy.

Lastly, if you want to go ninja if terrorists attack a mall, and you have the capability to do so, the more power to you. Just understand not all of us older guys will have the same inclination. That's why young men fight the wars, not the old guys.

Now, I return this thread to its original programming, and peace be upon you.

sjfcontrol wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

mayor wrote:I have a question: How do CHL holders communicate with each other that "I'm not a BG?"

It's never been easier:
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By the way, I STILL think the best way to guarantee there will be no mall attacks by ISIS is to preemptively blow all the malls up.

Worked in Nairobi -- hasn't been one there since!

This is what I'm saying! It may be a little counterintuitive, but it is so simple.

mayor wrote:I have a question: How do CHL holders communicate with each other that "I'm not a BG?"

It's never been easier:


By the way, I STILL think the best way to guarantee there will be no mall attacks by ISIS is to preemptively blow all the malls up.

Jumping Frog wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:Yell.... "Aloha Snackbar"

Infidel!! Wolverine!!!

Don't forget "Leroy Jenkins!!!!!"

TomsTXCHL wrote:

Excaliber wrote:Have you noticed that you don't ever see products being delivered to stores via the main hallways in malls?

That's because there is a series of back hallways behind all the stores where these activities take place.

My instruction to my family for an active shooter situation in a mall is to run to the rear of whatever store they're in, go through the door labeled "employees only," go around, over, or through anyone who tries to stop them, and follow the exit signs into the service corridor and out of the building. .

The same plan works for most other stores and restaurants (where you go through the kitchen), except there is no service corridor.

I think this is exactly right--if a terror group posts-up outside mall entrances they are most likely to do so at the major access points and not the emergency/service entries.

Further, if there ARE BGs posted at the service doors, the back storage areas of any small retail store are more likely IMO to serve as decent hiding places than anywhere else in the mall.

Here's some food for thought....

A bad guy enters the mall through an anchor store, goes through a shop into a back corredor, where he opens a door to the outside and lets his cohorts in with all the guns. They hand him his, and they "magically" appear among the shoppers and begin shooting. Video surveillance actually makes it initially harder for first responders to diagnose what's going on, because there is NO FOOTAGE of armed men entering through the JC Penney's, etc.

My point is, exiting through the back hallways and doors is a good strategy, but DON'T take it for granted that there will be no hostile surprises along the way.

It strikes me that if we act preemptively by blowing up all malls........


.......then I can die happy.........





......oh, and then ISIS can't blow them up.......