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karder wrote:If Ventura wanted to "restore his honor" or whatever he is claiming, he should start by trying to round up any old WWF videos with him in that boa and those tights. Compared to that, getting punched out by Klye seems like small potatoes.

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The Annoyed Man wrote:I guess I didn't remember the numbers correctly.......but that is still a HECK of a lot of UDTs KIA. JW is a worm. He was a worm before Chris Kyle ever joined the SEAL teams. The point I was trying to make before is that I don't think it serves anything to belittle UDT contributions, just because they have been replaced in the public eye by the SEAL teams.

I don't think it serves anything either. However, it's despicable that a man who was never a SEAL would claim to be a SEAL. He's trying to appropriate the honor of men who served in extremely dangerous conditions, 48 of whom never came home. His service was honorable, but he chose to steal the honor of others to make himself appear to be something he is not.

I'm proud to be a veteran, but I've always described myself as a Vietnam era veteran, because I never served in Vietnam. I did my duty, and I did it honorably, but I refuse to take away from the men who saw combat and, in some cases, died on the battlefield, to make myself appear to be more than I am. JV has done that all his life. In doing that he has not only dishonored the memories of those dead SEALs but also of his fellow UDT frogmen who served honorably.

Jim Beaux wrote:I understand the UDT had little combat exposure in Viet Nam, but they certainly had a big part in WW2.

Of the 175 NCDU and UDT men on Omaha beach, 31 where killed and 60 wounded. Their Teammates on Utah Beach faired far better because the beach was considerably less fortified. Four were killed and11 wounded, when an artillery shell landed among one of the teams working to clear the beach. Weeks before the invasion all available Underwater Demolition men were sent from Fort Pierce to England. The largest loss occurred at the landing on Omaha beach, Normandy. Within months of the War’s end, the UDT teams were dispersed. This ended a trying but evolutionary time in the history of Naval Special Warfare.

On 6 June 1944, in the face of great adversity, the NCDUs at Omaha Beach managed to blow eight complete gaps and two partial gaps in the German defenses. The NCDUs suffered 31 killed and 60 wounded, a casualty rate of 52%. Meanwhile, the NCDUs at Utah Beach met less intense enemy fire. They cleared 700 yards of beach in two hours, another 900 yards by the afternoon. Casualties at Utah Beach were significantly lighter with 6 killed and 11 wounded. During Operation OVERLORD, not a single demolitioneer was lost to improper handling of explosives.

http://navyseals.com/nsw/navy-seal-history/

SEALs and Underwater Demolition Team Members Killed in Action, 1943– Korean War
Pirro, Carmon F. December 30, 1943 Anzio
Donnell, John Gerald January 30, 1944 Anzio
Olson, Richard Roderick February 4, 1944 Unknown
Tascillo, Matteo February 17, 1944 Marshall Islands
Abbott, George L. June 6, 1944 Normandy
Alexander, Henry Richard June 6, 1944 Normandy
Bussell, John Edward June 6, 1944 Normandy
Cook, John William June 6, 1944 Normandy
DeGregorio, Carmine June 6, 1944 Normandy
Demmer, Peter Mathew June 6, 1944 Normandy
Dillon, Thomas Justin June 6, 1944 Normandy
Dombek, Walter Joseph June 6, 1944 Normandy
Doran, William Robert June 6, 1944 Normandy
Drew, Elmer Malcolm June 6, 1944 Normandy
Duncan, Harold E. June 6, 1944 Normandy,
Fabich, Henry Samuel June 6, 1944 Normandy
Fleming, Andrew Jackson June 6, 1944 Normandy
Fuller, John Anthony Sr. June 6, 1944 Normandy
Gouinlock, George Linzy June 6, 1944 Normandy
Goulder, Preston Hardaway June 6, 1944 Normandy
Greenfield, Edward Joseph June 6, 1944 Normandy
Harang, Richard David June 6, 1944 Normandy
Herring, Clifford Palmer June 6, 1944 Normandy
Hickey, Arthur Burton June 6, 1944 Normandy
Holtman, Orvid J. June 6, 1944 Normandy
Hudson, Alton E. June 6, 1944 Normandy
Jacobson, John A. June 6, 1944 Normandy
Jarosz, Edward Anthony June 6, 1944 Normandy
McDermott, John Daniel June 6, 1944 Normandy
McGeary, Donald C. June 6, 1944 Normandy
Millis, Conrad Clarence June 6, 1944 Normandy
Mingledorff, Ozie Claud Jr. June 6, 1944 Normandy
Olive, Jesse D. June 6, 1944 Normandy
Perkins, Frank James June 6, 1944 Normandy
Pienack, Raymond Rudolph June 6, 1944 Normandy
Sullivan, Maurice Francis Jr. June 6, 1944 Normandy
Vetter, Alvin Edward June 6, 1944 Normandy
Weatherford, Milton Parker June 6, 1944 Normandy,
Weckman, Lawrence I. June 6, 1944 Normandy
Weidner, Albert Garhardt June 14, 1944 Saipan
Christensen, Robert V. June 16, 1944 Saipan
Blowers, Ralph A. July 15, 1944 Guam
Nixon, Thomas Dervus July 21, 1944 Guam
Black, Robert Armstrong August 14, 1944 Yap
MacMahon, John Churchill September 2, 1944 Yap
Roeder, Howard Livingston September 2, 1944 Yap
Audibert, Benoit Bernard October 18, 1944 Leyte
Kasman, Brennan W. October 18, 1944 Leyte
Lauderdale, Kenneth Broughton October 19, 1944 Leyte
Tilton, Edward October 19, 1944 Leyte
Blettel, David January 12, 1945 USS Belknap
Castillo, Guadalupe January 12, 1945 USS Belknap
Gamache, Wilfred Dolar January 12, 1945 USS Belknap
Hopkins, Robert Lee January 12, 1945 USS Belknap
Lewis, William Robert January 12, 1945 USS Belknap
Malfeo, Marvin Antonio January 12, 1945 USS Belknap
McKnight, Thomas Rex January 12, 1945 USS Belknap
Rodriquez, James Lawrence January 12, 1945 USS Belknap
Rossart, Joseph William January 12, 1945 USS Belknap
Scoggins, F. P. January 12, 1945 USS Belknap
Sugden, William Lloyd January 12, 1945 USS Belknap,
Anderson, Edward Wilson February 17, 1945 Iwo Jima
Sumpter, Frank Warren February 17, 1945 Iwo Jima
Yates, Lee Carlton February 17, 1945 Iwo Jima
Allen, Kermit February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Beason, Edwin Albert February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Blackwood, Buress Lee February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Blanot, Harry Thomas February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Davis, Paul Harrison February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Dolan, Patrick Raymond February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Flemming, Joseph Leo February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Gordon, Paul Eugene February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Hilke, Earl Everett February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Kalman, Louis Emery February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Maki, Eugene Elmer February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Mecale, John February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Rodman, James Emerson February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Runnels, Adrian February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Szych, Chester February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Watkins, Thomas Jackson February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Willbanks, Herman Delmar February 18, 1945 USS Blessman
Lynch, Francis Joseph March 30, 1945 Okinawa
Bock, Leonard Joseph Jr. April 9, 1945 USS Hopping
Masden, Charles F. June 8, 1945 Balikpapan
Frey, Edward Ivan Jr. January, 19, 1951 Korea
Satterfield, Paul Veston January, 19, 1951 Korea

Luttrell, Marcus (2012-05-08). Service: A Navy SEAL at War . Little, Brown and Company. Kindle Edition.

EEllis wrote:Kyle wrote that JV said that he hated America, that America was murdering people, and that the Seals deserved to lose a few. Now I don't want to say anything negative about Kyle but it just doesn't pass the sniff test for a number of reasons and Kyle used that anecdote to push his book. He made money off what 8 jurors believe was a fabrication. Now JV has come off as a bit of a nut with his conspiracy theory stuff and his strange comments but having Kyle, whom many people rightly admire, trash him with what is reportedly a false story has done quite a bit of damage to his reputation and is ability to make a living. If it was true then JV deserves some money, most of which, since he is paying hourly for his legal fees , will most likely go to his lawyers.