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by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:47 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Target respectfully requests that you shop unarmed
Replies: 101
Views: 17448

Re: Target respectfully requests that you shop unarmed

ShootDontTalk wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote: First of all, it's not a "right" until and unless the U.S. Supreme Court says it's a "right." That's the only opinion of the Constitution that matters.
Chas.
Charles...Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are saying here, but I find this a bit unusual.
1) The Declaration of Independence says this:

"WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
No it doesn't.

However, the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States does say all that.

ShootDontTalk, basically, I agree with your premise, but here's the thing I would quibble with you over..... as a Christian myself, I agree that these rights are God-given. However, the founders were an eclectic bunch, including Christians, theists, agnostics, etc., and they realized that these rights had to be explainable as pertaining to them also. After all, how can an atheist who does not believe in a creator seriously claim rights established by a deity he doesn't even believe exists? So, the founders used a set of terms interchangeably, sometimes depending on who was speaking.... terms like "God-given", "nature's God", "natural rights", and so on. While I would never deny the Lord's involvement in this, others might, I think we need to be inclusive in our choice of terms so as to make it clear that these rights are universal, regardless of one's spiritual condition, simply because one lives and breathes.
by The Annoyed Man
Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:04 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Target respectfully requests that you shop unarmed
Replies: 101
Views: 17448

Re: Target respectfully requests that you shop unarmed

What's it going to take to shut these OCT folks up? The passage of a "Freedom from Gun Protest Act" which will effectively outlaw the open carry of long guns anywhere except the hunting fields? To think that just a few months ago, we were on track to possibly getting OC passed in 2015, with the support of TSRA and NRA, and good support in the legislature for it......and NOW, just a few months later, thanks to a bunch of boneheaded egotists who simply refuse to understand political realities for what they are, we are not only NOT going to get OC for handguns, but we stand to LOSE OC for long guns.

It makes me want to slap somebody. How STUPID do they have to be?a :mad5

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