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TexasLookout wrote:

TexasLookout wrote:

TexasLookout wrote:

TexasLookout wrote:

TexasLookout wrote:

TexasLookout wrote:

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TexasLookout wrote:I notice that all Your responses to my posting of PRICE GOUGING Concerning ARMS and Munitions were related Only to USA Companies.

Since I am only a Junior Member with limited knowledge. I did notice My Thread and Comments from Senior members on a Google Search and started to read other sites comments.

But Correct me if I am wrong.

Since I believe the USA Market of Arms and Munitions is being Controlled for Creating a Higher Priced Product (s) not only now but on the futures markets. And the proof is no ammunition on the shelves and higher priced arms.

And the excuses in replies well I just don't buy that,

but say I do.

All the USA Arms and Manufacturing Plants are so overwhelmed, ***********************

Then where is all the Munitions and Arms from South America, Europe, England, Russia, the Middle East, the Far East, the Mediterranean, Africa.

But then I am only a Junior Member.

Yes sure dont like my Thread Being Hijacked by Senior Members,

So your response is to post childishly? If you don't like their responses, ignore them. I'm pretty much done with this thread. Have fun with it. I reported your antics to the moderators.

TexasLookout wrote:I notice that all Your responses to my posting of PRICE GOUGING Concerning ARMS and Munitions were related Only to USA Companies.

Since I am only a Junior Member with limited knowledge. I did notice My Thread and Comments from Senior members on a Google Search and started to read other sites comments.

But Correct me if I am wrong.

Since I believe the USA Market of Arms and Munitions is being Controlled for Creating a Higher Priced Product (s) not only now but on the futures markets. And the proof is no ammunition on the shelves and higher priced arms.

And the excuses in replies well I just don't buy that,

but say I do.

All the USA Arms and Manufacturing Plants are so overwhelmed, ***********************

Then where is all the Munitions and Arms from South America, Europe, England, Russia, the Middle East, the Far East, the Mediterranean, Africa.

But then I am only a Junior Member.

Read up on Occam's Razor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

Occam's razor (also written as Ockham's razor, Latin lex parsimoniae) is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Your conspiracy theory requires a lot of supporting assumptions to be true in order for your conspiracy to be true. This is why most conspiracy theories are just so much bull.

REALLY?

Wodathunkit wrote:There was an article floating around a couple of weeks ago that was a "State of the Union" for the firearm industry. The article stated that bullet mfg's were making about a billion bullets a week! With almost all ramping up to round the clock production. The problem being that John Q. Public is third in line behind the military, and law enforcement. They said it would be 9 months before inventories retuned to pre-panic levels.

This is exactly why I started stocking up almost a year before the election. I saw this was going to happen. Memories are short, but it happened in 2008 too, and it took nearly a whole year for the prices to recover. The people who are complaining about prices today could have averted the situation for themselves by anticipating that this was going to happen. It was the same guy's potential for election that drove up prices the last time. Back then, I was assembling a home-built AR carbine. Almost overnight, the price of a lower end barreled M4 upper went from about $350 to about $500......if you could get one. Ammunition in tactical rifle and self-defense pistol calibers got REAL scarce and shot up in price.

THIS time it is worse because of the proposed AWB. Anyone with a modicum of perspicacity KNEW that an AWB bill would be forthcoming during a 2nd Obama term. Democrats who said that Obama doesn't want to take your guns were lying, plain and simple. If they weren't lying, then they were terminally stupid. Sandy Hook merely provided an early impetus for such a push. If it hadn't been Sandy Hook, it would have been something else.......just like the enemies of freedom tried to use the Zimmerman/Martin case to take down Stand Your Ground laws. That case was just another self-defense killing. There was nothing remarkable about it....except that race-baiters who don't give a popcorn fart for the fact that 99% of black murder victims are killed by other black people decided that THIS one was a big deal because it was an extremely rare case of a white man killing a black man in self-defense. The people who try and take away gun rights and limit the right to self-defense don't really care about the dead. They merely capitalize on those deaths to promote their assault on freedom.

It was absolutely predictable that this was going to happen. The next time democrats get another president elected after Obama leaves office, it will happen again. That is what democrats do. They can't stand the idea of a populace armed to resist their commie plans. See my signature line if you don't understand this. When they tell you they don't want to take your guns, they are lying. They cannot be trusted with the protection of the 2nd Amendment. In any case, it was predictable. Between now and 2016, prices will come down (although probably not to pre-Obama levels), and availability will go up. If you're smart, you'll devote some of your ammo money to making sure you have a basic stock on hand which you have to exercise the discipline not to use recreationally. This is your "Wolverines" ammo. Once you've got that figured out, THEN stock up on recreational ammo. If the next election looks like it is going to be close, buy more ammo THEN instead of waiting until there isn't any left and complaining about the prices and gouging.

TexasLookout wrote:But using arms holders like myself to make cause for their use of Price Gouging is not warranted.

Not warranted? Why? Because you're somehow more holy than the next guy? Who else are ammunition manufacturers/sellers going to price gouge......people who don't hold arms (and therefore don't need ammunition)? I'm guessing that you don't own your own business.

I understand your outrage, but we either accept the capitalist economic model, or we don't. If we do, then we are free as buyers to exercise our power of the purchase by NOT buying their ammo until the price comes down. If they don't sell it for long enough, they will lower their prices. The problem isn't just the sellers. It is also the buyers who are willing to pay the inflated prices. They pay it, so people charge it. It's that simple. Where is your outrage against people who willingly pay the higher prices, thereby supporting a higher priced market? That is the beauty of capitalism that a lot of people forget—that it is always a two way transaction. If people think the price is unreasonable, they have the power to not buy.

Of course, the problem is that they refuse to exercise this power, and the sellers of course maximize their profit. You could protest, if you want, by A) only buying from sellers who do not mark their prices up.......or B) you could wait to buy from only those sellers who did not mark their prices up and sold out early, when they have inventory back in stock.......but there ARE NO (A) or (B) sellers. The thing is, I went to normally reliable and affordable AmmunitionToGo.com and bought 500 rounds of 5.56 Lake City XM855 62gr. FMJ Penetrator Ammo for $204.95 (41¢/round) on October 20. Two months later, on December 18, I bought 500 rounds of Magtech 55 grain FMJ from for $224.95 (45¢/round) and gave it to my son for Christmas...........a more than 10% increase in price for a product that was inferior to the previous order. A year before, I bought 1,000 rounds of Lake City XM855 from Cheaper than Dirt for $384 (38.4¢/round), and they are not exactly the cheapest game in town, and never were the cheapest. EVERYBODY has raised their prices. I anticipated that, and I still have some of that 1,000 round purchase on hand. I also still have the two green cans of 420 rounds each of Federal XM855 I bought from Cabelas for $178.95/can (42.6¢/round) a little less than a year ago.

38.4¢/round for 1,000 rounds over 12 months ago
42.6¢/round for 840 rounds less than 12 months ago
41.0¢/round for 500 rounds 4 months ago
45.0¢/round for 500 rounds 2 months ago (for an inferior product)

The prices have clearly been going up for a while now. Others should have exercised the same foresight. Everything else has gone up in the past year too. Have you compared the price of a gallon of milk today to last year's price? My grocery bill is outrageous, and it's just me and my wife. But people happen to notice ammo and not food, because food is still on the shelves, and ammo is not. Believe me, if food were as scarce as ammo, it would be doubled in price too.