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by The Annoyed Man
Thu May 31, 2012 2:24 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: LCP vs P238
Replies: 33
Views: 6788

Re: LCP vs P238

barstoolguru wrote:.....it never pulls my pants down....
And we're all happy for you......and much relieved. "rlol"
68Charger wrote:TAM is always talking about that darned Khar.. lol. I haven't shot one, but the way he swears by it makes it sound like it's a really good pistol.
Well you know that I'm a 1911 guy at heart too, and there's a 3" and a 5" in my carry rotation. But I have to say that as I age convenience and ease of use is getting to be more and more important to me. At the range, I still prefer to shoot my 1911s, but for EDC, I gravitate more and more to my Kahrs and to my wife's occasionally borrowed Glock 19 (SSSSHHHHH! Don't tell anybody). I love my M&P45, but it is pretty big (and heavy compared to the others), so I don't carry it that often anymore either unless I'm working from a shoulder holster.

But the Kahrs are just dirt simple. They're actually easier to field strip than a Glock. Being single stack guns, they are flatter and conceal more easily than any of my double stack guns, and the CW9 carries like a lighter version of my 3" Kimber UC II. Capacity of the CW45 is either the same or one more than a G36, but the grip fits my hand MUCH better. Perceived recoil is about the same as for my 3" Kimber and it manages the .45 ACP caliber surprisingly well. The trigger pull on the Kahrs is long, but it is very smooth and it's not at all heavy.

Although Kahr does offer some of their pistols in a version equipped with a thumb-safety, this is absolutely not necessary, and I suspect that the safeties were added to meet some kind of police large quantity purchase contract or something. The versions with the safeties cost more than the same pistol without the safeties. All Kahrs have an internal striker safety mechanism which is disengaged when the trigger is pulled. Shooting a Kahr is even more "revolver-like" than a Glock because the trigger is more "revolver-like," being a longer pull like a revolver, smooth, with little or no stacking, and specced out at 6 lb.

Fit and finish on the Kahrs is good, but they're not the eye candy that a really expensive 1911 or a high-end Sig is, and the CW/CM series are what I would describe as "utitlitarian" (also much like a Glock). My CW45 cost me $399.00, and that is hard to beat for a small, reliable, lightweight .45 that can fit into a front pocket. My wife's CW9 actually cost a bit more than that, but it was harder to find at the time that we bought it. The CW9 is exactly like the CW45, except a little smaller yet. It shoots very well. And the PM9 is comparable in size to my diminutive M&P340 snubbie....maybe even a tad smaller. It is for sure not as wide as the snubbie. It is so small in my front pocket as to be a little disconcerting some times. All 3 of our Kahrs shoot well, although the CW45 took a little more break-in than the others. Actually, I bought the PM9 used, and it was already broken in. The CW9 has run like a top right out of the box.

There are other good performers in the class, but the Kahrs hold their own against them, and the price can't be beat. And when you can get an easily pocketable and lightweight 9mm at a very affordable price with a demonstrated record of reliability, there just isn't any reason to go with a .380.....at least not in my book.
by The Annoyed Man
Wed May 30, 2012 1:49 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: LCP vs P238
Replies: 33
Views: 6788

Re: LCP vs P238

brewdawg wrote:I have narrowed down my choice for a pocket carry gun for those times when I don't want to carry the XD9SC. During the summer months especially I am normally in shorts and don't always want to wear a holster and/or gun belt.

So after a lot of looking and research I have narrowed it down to the LCP and p238 and just wanted to see what the thoughts were from some of you that carry them. I realize the p238 is going to give me better sites, lower recoil, and is probably the better gun. But are there enough reasons to choose it over the LCP?
If I had to choose between the LCP and the P238, I'd pick the Kahr CM9. It's pretty competitive to the LCP and the Sig in size and weight, only a little more money than the LCP but less than the P238, and 9mm instead of .380. That way you get better stopping ability, use the same ammo as your XD9SC, and you don't have to pay Sig prices.

Here is a little chart I prepared for you. As you can see, the LCP is the cheapest gun, but the Kahr is the best value for the money.
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It has the lightest trigger. It is "Glock-like" in its simplicity. That is high praise.

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