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speedsix wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

suthdj wrote:It is sad that they feel the need for a death penalty. However when you travel outside the US you are subject to the laws and court decisions of the host country and justice is not always the first concern. If christianity is illegal in Iran then he should not have been practicing it. I am not a biblical expert by any means but I believe the bible says something about obeying the laws of man.

NO, it doesn't. It says, very specifically with regard to paying taxes, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" (Matthew 22:21).....and I am somewhat of a biblical scholar.

There is such a thing as human rights. They exist, whether or not a government honors and defends them. When our founders wrote of these rights, they said (depending on which individual founder said it) that they are either "God-given," or "given by Nature's God," or "natural rights."

Governments do not create rights. Rights existed before governments existed because they are given by God, or part of nature for those of an atheist bent, either of which predate the invention of human governments. To argue that a right does not exist is no different than arguing that electrons don't exist. They simply "are." The government of Iran chooses to contravene that which many other nations—even post-Christian secularist nations such as those of western Europe—recognize and protect to one degree or another. The mullahs who run Iran are not civilized men. Their puppet boy Ahmadinejad is an irrational tool. It doesn't matter that Christianity is against the law in Iran, which is a stoooooopid notion anyway. How do you outlaw the act of "being?" The knuckleheads in charge there are notoriously poor respecters of human rights. This is just another example of it.

The good news is that God is in charge. The crazy mullahs are bound for the eternal spiritual slag heap, a hot dry place that has all the charm of the interior of a fresh cow plop, unless they radically change their ways. If they carry out the murder of this Pastor, he will have been martyred for the faith. His reward will be higher than theirs.

PM

speedsix wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

suthdj wrote:It is sad that they feel the need for a death penalty. However when you travel outside the US you are subject to the laws and court decisions of the host country and justice is not always the first concern. If christianity is illegal in Iran then he should not have been practicing it. I am not a biblical expert by any means but I believe the bible says something about obeying the laws of man.

NO, it doesn't. It says, very specifically with regard to paying taxes, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" (Matthew 22:21).....and I am somewhat of a biblical scholar.

There is such a thing as human rights. They exist, whether or not a government honors and defends them. When our founders wrote of these rights, they said (depending on which individual founder said it) that they are either "God-given," or "given by Nature's God," or "natural rights."

Governments do not create rights. Rights existed before governments existed because they are given by God, or part of nature for those of an atheist bent, either of which predate the invention of human governments. To argue that a right does not exist is no different than arguing that electrons don't exist. They simply "are." The government of Iran chooses to contravene that which many other nations—even post-Christian secularist nations such as those of western Europe—recognize and protect to one degree or another. The mullahs who run Iran are not civilized men. Their puppet boy Ahmadinejad is an irrational tool. It doesn't matter that Christianity is against the law in Iran, which is a stoooooopid notion anyway. How do you outlaw the act of "being?" The knuckleheads in charge there are notoriously poor respecters of human rights. This is just another example of it.

The good news is that God is in charge. The crazy mullahs are bound for the eternal spiritual slag heap, a hot dry place that has all the charm of the interior of a fresh cow plop, unless they radically change their ways. If they carry out the murder of this Pastor, he will have been martyred for the faith. His reward will be higher than theirs.

PM

suthdj wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

suthdj wrote:It is sad that they feel the need for a death penalty. However when you travel outside the US you are subject to the laws and court decisions of the host country and justice is not always the first concern. If christianity is illegal in Iran then he should not have been practicing it. I am not a biblical expert by any means but I believe the bible says something about obeying the laws of man.

The point is a Muslim country is killing someone solely because he is a Christian. So much for the argument that Americans and other Christians are murdered solely by "extremists perverting Islam."

I'm not going to get into a discussion of religion, but the Bible teaches to obey the laws of the land, so long as they do not violate the laws of God.

Chas.

I never said it was right. But we have to respect the laws of a host nation just as we expect visitors to respect ours. He went there and did what he did knowing what could happen and is going to pay the ultimate price, his life. I have to think he did this full well knowing what could happen.

suthdj wrote:It is sad that they feel the need for a death penalty. However when you travel outside the US you are subject to the laws and court decisions of the host country and justice is not always the first concern. If christianity is illegal in Iran then he should not have been practicing it. I am not a biblical expert by any means but I believe the bible says something about obeying the laws of man.