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by John Collins
Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:55 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Unlicensed Man's gun discharges in cubicle at work
Replies: 54
Views: 8903

Re: Unlicensed Man's gun discharges in cubicle at work

Never actually saw him carry. The only way I knew that, was that the HR person said he was the only one who had permission, so I guess if he wanted to he could.

I talked to the IT manager on occassion, and he said he had to drive the owners truck somewhere for him once, and he found more than one pistol in his truck. And as a matter of fact, the same IT guy had his new H&K SOCOM .45 up at the office one night. We were talking and he said he got for his birthday from his wife. It was a nice gun and he like I am a gun admirer. But i know he didn't have written permission, because he said he just never showed it to anyone who would make a problem about him having it up there. Like me that was probably the one and only time he actually ever had it in the building.

There was another guy that did outside marketing that carried his in the building all the ime. We used to talk guns all the time but his having it in the building never bothered me.

No the owner never spoke to me directly. They just said I could not come back because there were some employees that didn't want me coming back. WHich I can understand, so they won't let me back to even attend seminars in the building. No problem I was going to leave anyway.

Actually I wasn't getting paid what my commissions should have been anyway. I was already looking for something better.
by John Collins
Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:02 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Unlicensed Man's gun discharges in cubicle at work
Replies: 54
Views: 8903

Still walking

Yes but consider it was at point blank range and FMJ's are are made to penetrate not expand and punch a hole it did. The reason I'm walking is because the bullet did not hit any arteries or veins or cartiledge. But it did break the tibia of the right leg. I wouldn't call using a walker or a cane or hobbling around exactly walking.

One thing for sure is that if a person is hit with a .45 ACP FMJ they will at least bleed a lot. I know I did.
by John Collins
Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:27 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Unlicensed Man's gun discharges in cubicle at work
Replies: 54
Views: 8903

Perm Damage?

Don't know if there will be or not yet. Right now I'm more worried about getting a blood clot.
by John Collins
Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:06 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Unlicensed Man's gun discharges in cubicle at work
Replies: 54
Views: 8903

Thank you!

Thanks you Bill AND Mike. I'll be reading this forum alot in the future.
by John Collins
Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:32 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Unlicensed Man's gun discharges in cubicle at work
Replies: 54
Views: 8903

What say you?

Thanks to those of you for not condeming me for a mistake. Learn from my mistake and use my experience to help educate others please!! I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

Had a good visit with Jrosto I showed him the holes in my legs and how they are located in front below the knee going to the back. YOu have to almost see it to get the full picture. AND I learned a WHOLE lot about 1911 COLT's this afternoon.

It may explain the how and I'm not saying there were not things I could have done to be safer. I just wish I had known about this earlier.

I guarantee you all of one thing, had I known about this particular design element of my gun I would have always kept it in a gun holster or a carry box but not a pocket.

But no matter like the police guy said, accident or not your are still responsible for making sure your gun's safety's work and you have them engaged etc... I agree, I'm not trying to get out of making a mistake but I'll never do it again in a million years. Well the one time I make a mistake I really did a good one. I'm so thankful no one else was hurt. If anyone out there needs a poster boy for what NOT to do I'm it.
by John Collins
Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:31 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Unlicensed Man's gun discharges in cubicle at work
Replies: 54
Views: 8903

Better Information

So many times there is never any follow up on these stories. Number one - he does have a CHL the police just not check throughly enough, but they never go back and say "oh yeah, he does have one" we were wrong initially.

He carries because the building he works in is in a bad location, no security, parking lot wide open, no fences, gates, contolled entry, no cameras. Cars come and go across this parking lot with no control. Working mandatory Monday nights till after 8pm and going into not so nice neighborhoods for appointments that may last several hours, carrying a laptop and getting back to his vehicle where it may be pitch dark.

Fact:
The business does not have the 30.06 signs posted anywhere on the premises.

The policy of the business is that a person is allowed with written permission to carry onsite but only the owner has written permission. BUT what difference does that make if there is an accident like this one. Same rules apply right?

The jacket he was wearing never made it to the back of his chair. The gun discharged as he was taking the jacket off to put it over the back of the chair.

Its possible the trigger caught the edge of the chair arm just right.

The empty case was still in barrel and never ejected.

Remember the hole is 6 inches below his knee. So that puts the gun hanging low not in his hand. If that were so it would have to have been pointed back at his leg as he bent over holding the gun pointed back towards him below his knee.

The bullet entered 6 inches below the right knee at about a 45 degree angle going down and broke the tibia, exited and went through the left leg calve muscle hit the bottom of a particle board book case then hit the cement floor and bottom of cubicle wall.

Thankfully no one else was hurt but the man.

This wouldn't happen again in a million years. A horrible lesson was learned through a self inflicted wound.

Don't you people think you would have learned a lesson if this happened to you?

Is it really worth the Tarrant county DA prosecuting this man for a Class A misdemonor of deadly conduct (he wasn't waving the gun around or showing it to anyone) taking tax payer dollars to try this person for something he would never do again or has done before, never been in trouble with the law before. What is there to be gained?

I doubt he woke up that day and said "Hey I think I'll blow four holes in my legs today and lose my job and health insurance and set myself up for a blood clot"

There are probably many out there that would never admit they have had a near miss with a gun accidentally going off.

But we let people with 8 DWI's in one example and multiple DWI's in others still drive on the road and everyone here seems to think so much of a one time occurence that will never happen again.

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