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Mike1951 wrote:When Wolf began offering polymer coated ammo in some calibers instead of the lacquer, it was my understanding that the polymer would not gum up an action.

I never realized that the coating had been changed to a Polymer. It might be worth trying a couple boxes.

The main thing I've heard on other forums bout the Steel cased ammo is that it is hard on some firearms.

Brass is a much softer metal than the Steel that is used in ammo. I've mainly heard from various forum members about broken extractors and the like from using the Steel ammo.

I was shooting with a friend once who had a 1911 style and he was shooting Wolf. We both saw an occasional spark such as one sees when dragging a chain on pavement and it was coming from the receiver and not the muzzle so that was enough for him to stay away.

Steel cased ammo works best on eastern block weapons such as AK's and the like because they are designed to use it.

I'll try the new polymer stuff but I have too much invested in my firearms to run something that may cause damage.

Keith B wrote:

TDDude wrote:I shoot a Beretta cougar and I used to shoot wolf until my pistol got so hot one day the lacquer caused a case to stick in my barrel to where the extractor couldn't pull it out. The extractor simply slipped over the case lip and that CAN'T BE GOOD.

Also, the lacquer doesn't slip as well as brass so I was getting rounds stuck in the mags occasionally.

I don't know if any of this actually harms the pistol but I'd rather not fool with it.

Was it really lacquer (really polymer) build-up or possibly the issue listed in the Box-O-Truth test that the steel doesn't expand as well and blow-back around the case is fouling the chamber? I would suspicion the latter, but it is plausible that the polymer could melt off the case if hot enough.

You may be correct. I don't really know. I just know that I had to take a small section of cleaning rod and tap the case out with a hammer. I don't know at all why they would keep getting stuck in the mags. I occasionally get the cheaper range brass cased ammo stuck because the bullet is not seated properly (too long) but this was not the case with the "STEEL" ammo.

All I know is that I was pretty scairt that I had broke my extractor. Thankfully that good solid Italian Beretta steel held up and two years later I still have no problems.

As far as Monarch being cheap and inaccurate, it's certainly as accurate as I am with a 9mm pistol and I'm with others in saying that an occasional malfunction at the range is a good thing as it encourages practicing how to clear jams. I just recommend using the "good stuff" for defense carrying.

Abraham wrote:All above good information, but my question remains unanswered: Does anyone KNOW if steel cased ammo really is tougher on guns or does it just seem like it makes sense to think so?

And a follow up: Is there such a thing as pistols designed with different internal metallurgy in order to withstand steel cased rounds or is this also conjecture?

Anyone here have a definitive answer or are we all in the dark on this?

Thanks

I shoot a Beretta cougar and I used to shoot wolf until my pistol got so hot one day the lacquer caused a case to stick in my barrel to where the extractor couldn't pull it out. The extractor simply slipped over the case lip and that CAN'T BE GOOD.

Also, the lacquer doesn't slip as well as brass so I was getting rounds stuck in the mags occasionally.

I don't know if any of this actually harms the pistol but I'd rather not fool with it.

It's metal cased. Unless you have an eastern block gun I'd stay away.

It is less expensive.