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Abraham wrote:"Someone went to a gun range, and was offended that someone was wearing too much gun gear? Did they think they were walking into Chuck-E-Cheese?"

'Who' decides how much gun gear is too much?'

Andrew "Nobody needs a 30 rd clip foh deeehh hunting" Cuomo, of course....

superchief wrote:It is really not legal for anyone but an ATF agent to ask to see your Form 3, 4, 1, etc. These are tax return documents.

Sure it’s legal for them to “ask” to see your form 4 and your 1040 too, just as it is legal for you to say no. My bank asks me for my tax returns every time I get a mortgage (I have 3 rental houses). If I say no, they make me go somewhere else to “shoot”.

1911 Raptor wrote:

rm9792 wrote:

bblhd672 wrote:I’ve read on other sites today that this is not uncommon - supposed to protect the range owners should ATF come to the range and check tax stamps of shooters present with NFA items. Prevent ranges for being charged with allowing illegal firearms.
Whether or not that is an actual ATF regulation or a range rule recommended by attorneys I don’t know.

Wish the Hearing Protection Act would get passed and put end to the suppressor foolishness.

How many times has this EVER happened without several triggering events involving that range? The ATF has relatively few personnel so i dont see random checks happening. Also, you dont have to carry the stamp around legally.

Does the possessor of an NFA firearm have to show proof of registration?

Yes. The approved application received from ATF serves as evidence of registration of the NFA firearm. This document must be made available upon request of any ATF officer. It is suggested that a photocopy of the approved application be carried by the possessor when the weapon is being transported.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does-po ... gistration



[26 U.S.C. 5841(e); 27 CFR 478.101]

And what crime will you be charged with for not having the proof on your person? How long do you have to produce such proof when asked?

ETA: And the CFR references the rule for FFL’s possessing NFA items in their inventory. Not individuals.

I believe the original question was whether a range has any particular reason for demanding the original stamped form 4. I'm going to say, no... In fact the ATF technically cannot arrest you for possessing a registered NFA without having the paperwork. The law simply demands that the item be registered in the NFRTR at the ATF. Since they have a terrible reputation of accuracy in keeping the NFRTR, it behooves an owner to have the original of the form on which his NFA item was transferred to his possession.

It should have the original stamp on it (if applicable). Not all transfers are taxable, hence form 3's for FFL SOT's will not have a (tax) stamp, and form 5's to a law enforcement agency will not have a stamp. I doubt most LEO's departments let them run around with the original form 5's transferring the items to the Dept. In fact the Glock rep mentioned above, might not even have any forms if the NFA items involved were manufactured by his employer. Are they going to ask to see the Form 2's that were sent to ATF reporting the manufacture of the NFA items by a FFL 07/02 SOT, or see a copy of the FFL records for the manufacturer?

But then again, everyone knows that the employees of FFL's are the legal authorities on all things NFA and tactical...

azwe wrote:Is there a requirement for you to bring your original tax stamp to the range when shooting a suppressor, SBR, or other NFA item? Today is the second time I've been told by a friend that they were turned away from a range because they only had a copy of their paperwork. My gun range has never asked me for the tax stamp or even a copy of it. I have copies in my range bag and one on my phone. Original is in the safe tucked away for safe keeping.

Obviously their range = their rules. I get it. But am I missing something? One range said that you could go to jail if you didn't have the original tax stamp in your possession at the range.

No way my originals stay locked in the safe. I made color copies that are hard to tell from original. Find a new range.