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by ScottDLS
Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:36 pm
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Psychiatric treatment left off application
Replies: 27
Views: 9303

Re: Psychiatric treatment left off application

R DAVIS wrote:It really isn't fair for the OPs original post to have been removed. Without knowing the issue, it's impossible to have a logical and intelligent discussion of the subject. Perhaps this thread should be locked in fairness to all who are trying to opine without being able to be privy to the full story. I understand why some may take exception to someone being denied a CHL without good cause. I agree with that, but it just isn't the issue in this instance.

The OPs post stated he had not (truthfully) answered the question about being under psychiatric treatment, even though he IS. (For personality disorder/anxiety, serious enough to require medication to control)

Here is the relevant question on the CHL application form.
"Have you ever been treated and / or admitted to a facility or drug, alcohol and / or psychiatric care; OR been diagnosed as suffering from a psychiatric disorder or condition that causes or is likely to cause substantial impairment in judgment, mood, perception, impulse control or intellectual ability; OR pleaded innocent by reason of insanity; OR been found mentally incompetent; OR had court-ordered outpatient treatment?
Yes
No
*If YES, please complete and attach CHL-78C." (Bold print is mine for emphasis)

The OP was asking: If he had answered the question in the affirmative, would his permit likely be denied. You can see that this has nothing to do with adjudication, or the type of drugs he has been prescribed. It is not about his friends, family, or his constitutional rights.

It is about answering the question truthfully so the state can do it's job to determine if he is disqualified. He would need to complete and attach form CHL-78C, to help the state make that determination. You can see that there IS a system in place to determine his eligibility, he just need to comply with the requirement to truthfully complete the information on the form.
I believe you are misinterpreting intent of the treated and facility being bolded on the CHL-78. If you read the entire section it leads one to believe that the treatment for psychiatric or drug abuse took place in a "facility". This is borne out by the CHL-78C which has a box for the Facility name, with Facility seeming to refer to an inpatient(hospital) or residential facility. Further, the LAW that lays out the disqualifiers speaks specifically to inpatient and residential drug/alcohol treatment OR a specific psychiatric diagnosis of SUBSTANTIAL IMPAIRMENT. :rules: (Not the chiropractor giving you Cymbalta for nerve pain.... "rlol" )

Have you ever been treated and / or admitted to a facility for drug, alcohol and / or psychiatric care;
OR been diagnosed as suffering from a psychiatric disorder or condition that causes or is likely to cause
substantial impairment in judgment, mood, perception, impulse control or intellectual ability; OR
pleaded innocent by reason of insanity; OR been found mentally incompetent; OR had court-ordered
outpatient treatment?


Also, the RENEWAL forms don't address anything beyond the conditions specifically mentioned in the law either. Since we don't have the OP posting (I believe it got nixed around the time of the site upgrade...), I can't comment on whether the OP should have answered NO on the ORIGINAL CHL-78A.

On the other hand, we are talking about people who will be "walking around with a loaded gun" :shock: so we don't want 'em whacked out on Tylenol, or buying an assault weapon with a giant "clip"..... oh wait, they can do that without a full psych workup from the Texas Board of Medical Examiners...we need a new law! :yawn
by ScottDLS
Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:59 am
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Psychiatric treatment left off application
Replies: 27
Views: 9303

Re: Psychiatric treatment left off application

:iagree:
mojo84 wrote:I think you have a valid point. However, it is really up to him, his family or his close friends to address this with him. If his illness is serious enough that he should lose his rights, they should be the ones to step up to take the necessary steps to get him adjudicated to not be qualified and capable. By the way, we do not know if he has already discussed this with his doc and it was determined he was not a threat to himself or others.

Just the fact he has an illness and it is being treated with medication is not sufficient to assume he is incapable of exercising his rights to have own and carry guns. There are many people that have mental and physical illness that sounds bad but isn't anywhere near the point of needing to lose their rights.

If you go down that slippery slope of just assuming people with an illness is incapable of exercising their rights, what about chronic pain sufferers and those that have bad attitudes or those that are fed up with the government or those that consider themselves sovereign citizens or those that have are forgetful but some consider it to be dementia etc.?

People's family and friends along with their physicians are the ones that should initiate the legal proceedings to have one adjudicated incapable of exercising their rights. Or, in the event of one committing a crime and it is then discovered they have serious mental illness that justifies them losing their rights, the state should take the steps to have them properly adjudicated.
:iagree:
by ScottDLS
Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:40 pm
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Psychiatric treatment left off application
Replies: 27
Views: 9303

Re: Psychiatric treatment left off application

Taypo wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:Seems like the original post here disappeared. However, with the way that even GP's are handing out anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds these days, I think you'd rule about 20% of the population ineligible for CHL depending on how you define the qualifications. I am highly suspicious of any disqualification of persons for CHL that is not based on an adjudicative process. Merely being prescribed certain meds or seeing a therapist are not an indication of anything without additional context. For example SSRI Wellbutrin is prescribed to people suffering major depression, but it is also prescribed to quit smoking (Chantix). Benzodiazapines (valium, xanax, etc.) are prescribed for anxiety, but dentists give them for prep for certain procedures.

Watch out people. "Mental Illness" is going to be used by the regime to deprive of us of our rights and freedoms. VA and SSA adding people to NICS is the beginning. Soon the State poking around in our medical records to disqualify us from firearm ownership. Hold certain politically incorrect views? You're mentally ill! No passing NICS for you.

Or am I being paranoid? :shock: No CHL for me!
Regardless of what is being taken for, Wellbutrin is evil stuff with a documented history. I certainly wouldn't carry if I had it in my system and I'd hope that I'm not around anyone who is. Benzos aren't anywhere near as dangerous, but I'd still leave the gun locked up. Being under the influence, regardless of the cause, is still under the influence and IMO anyone caught carrying in that condition deserves to be stripped of a CHL. Anyone under doctors care requiring they be under the influence should be denied.

We're already under attack. Why risk the chance of yet another incident with a mentally injured soul? Worse yet - what happens if the next one has a Texas CHL?
Wow, I've heard quite the opposite from medical professionals. Xanax and other benzos are widely abused and apparently you can even die from withdrawal. Meanwhile, Chantix (Wellbutrin) is being handed out to help quit smoking. Isn't it an SSRI/SNRI? If everybody taking SSRI's/SNRI's was "under the influence" we have about 20% of the adult population walking around stoned (the other 80% are drunk! "rlol" ).

I'm worried about the people NOT taking their meds, or vets not seeking treatment for PTSD to avoid being stigmatized and losing their 2nd amendment rights. "Adjudicated mentally defective" should mean just that....a judicial hearing with an opportunity to attend and present evidence in your defense and a presumption of being mentally fit until the government proves otherwise.
by ScottDLS
Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:37 pm
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Psychiatric treatment left off application
Replies: 27
Views: 9303

Re: Psychiatric treatment left off application

Seems like the original post here disappeared. However, with the way that even GP's are handing out anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds these days, I think you'd rule about 20% of the population ineligible for CHL depending on how you define the qualifications. I am highly suspicious of any disqualification of persons for CHL that is not based on an adjudicative process. Merely being prescribed certain meds or seeing a therapist are not an indication of anything without additional context. For example SSRI Wellbutrin is prescribed to people suffering major depression, but it is also prescribed to quit smoking (Chantix). Benzodiazapines (valium, xanax, etc.) are prescribed for anxiety, but dentists give them for prep for certain procedures.

Watch out people. "Mental Illness" is going to be used by the regime to deprive of us of our rights and freedoms. VA and SSA adding people to NICS is the beginning. Soon the State poking around in our medical records to disqualify us from firearm ownership. Hold certain politically incorrect views? You're mentally ill! No passing NICS for you.

Or am I being paranoid? :shock: No CHL for me!

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