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flechero wrote:

Crash wrote:OlBill,
However, I've owned 12 semi-autos and fired quite a few others and most of the FTF I've had were because my gun didn't "like" a particular type of ammo. Not that the ammo was bad, it just wasn't compatible with the gun I was using. Also, I had a number of failures with two different .380s because of faulty factory magazines.

Crash

You could what if it to death... but for 98% of the situations T, R, B is correct.

You should have vetted carry ammo and mags long before carrying it... but in those cases the second factory mag with the 5-6 more rounds of the same factory ammo wouldn't fix the issue either so the initial tap, rack, bang would be much faster to hope for a next round miracle.

More simply put: If you are carrying faulty mags with ammo thats not compatible, then you are screwed from the get go and the lack of proving your carry gear is what killed you.

OlBill,

"You should have vetted carry ammo and mags long before carrying it..."? I check every round I put in a magazine and always have. However, I've had the same round that always worked perfectly fail when I bought a new box. As for the mags, they were new from the factory and I had problems from the beginning. One gun I traded in and the other I sent back to the factory and they reworked the trigger and sent me two new mags--which also didn't work. I also traded that gun. I hope that you don't believe that every round you put in a magazine is never going to fail just because you've "vetted" that type of ammo before. And I also hope that you don't believe that just because you've "vetted" the magazines you're using that one of them can't fail. Ammo, magazines, and guns can fail, no matter how well you've checked them out in the past

Crash

KLB wrote:

cyphertext wrote:I say that "Tap, Rack, Bang" is the proper procedure on a two way range (i.e. firefight). The object of the procedure is to get you back into the fight ASAP. If the weapon does not fire at that point, it is time to take cover and clear the stoppage.

On a nice sunny afternoon at the local public range though, the proper procedure would be to remove the magazine, observe the stoppage to identify, and clear... no need to hurry in that case.

Since my experience to this point (and may it always remain so) has been at a conventional range, I drop the magazine first.

KLB,

If dropping the magazine first is the way you practice at a conventional range, isn't that the way you would automatically react in a firefight?

Crash

OlBill wrote:A lot of times (most) the FTF is because the magazine wasn't seated properly because the gun was not properly loaded and checked. Factory ammunition is rarely the cause. Tap Rack fixes the most common FTF.

If Tap Rack doesn't fix it, you're going to need cover. You're going to have to look at the gun.

OlBill,

I agree with you that Tap Rack fixes the most common FTF. However, I've owned 12 semi-autos and fired quite a few others and most of the FTF I've had were because my gun didn't "like" a particular type of ammo. Not that the ammo was bad, it just wasn't compatible with the gun I was using. Also, I had a number of failures with two different .380s because of faulty factory magazines. Not saying that it was never my fault, but I only remember two FTF where I either limp-wristed the gun or didn't seat the magazine properly. I guess my problem is that I never want to be in a life-or-death situation, have an FTF, and have to stop and decide which method to use to correct the problem.

Crash

For many years I've heard that the proper procedure for a malfunction in a semi-auto is tap the magazine to make sure it is firmly seated, rack the slide to eject the round that is causing the problem, then pull the trigger. However, there are some cases where tapping the magazine, etc., won't help. So, rather than having to learn two different procedures, i.e., tap, rack, bang or drop, replace, rack, bang, how about just always doing the latter since that will take care of almost any failure. And, yes, I know that you're getting rid of a magazine that may still have perfectly good rounds in it, but that may be worth the risk of not clearing the failure with tap, rack, bang.

What say ye?

Crash