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by GrillKing
Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:49 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Utah CHL Instructor Story on WFAA
Replies: 231
Views: 32420

Re: Utah CHL Instructor Story on WFAA

tacticool wrote:
GrillKing wrote:Keep in mind there are advantages to a Texas issued CHL (besides better education on Texas statutes). With Utah only, technically, you are not covered while carrying within 1000' of school premises, so pretty much anywhere you drive you will be in technical violation of federal law. Granted, the chances of enforcement are near zero, but.....
Same as people who rely on the Motorist Protection Act.
Agreed. I'm all for Texans who are OK with MPA carry doing so, I'm OK with those that want Utah permits doing so, I just think they should make informed decisions. I don't have and probably won't get one (don't need it, Texas covers me for what I need and where I travel), but for those that want it or need it go for it. I just hope the collective "we" can be smart about how we appear to the rest of the state (media, etc) and not end up shooting ourselves in the foot with strategies that a few Utah instructors have put in place, personal gain that potentially caves in on itself and ruins it for the good Utah instructors and their students.
by GrillKing
Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:27 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Utah CHL Instructor Story on WFAA
Replies: 231
Views: 32420

Re: Utah CHL Instructor Story on WFAA

Keep in mind there are advantages to a Texas issued CHL (besides better education on Texas statutes). With Utah only, technically, you are not covered while carrying within 1000' of school premises, so pretty much anywhere you drive you will be in technical violation of federal law. Granted, the chances of enforcement are near zero, but.....
by GrillKing
Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:21 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Utah CHL Instructor Story on WFAA
Replies: 231
Views: 32420

Re: Utah CHL Instructor Story on WFAA

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I have to admit that I've had fun sparring intellectually on the Utah issue, but I want to clear up a growing misconception I believe is taking place.

1. I don't want to see any change in Texas law regarding licenses issued by Utah or any other state;
2. I don't want to see Texans prohibited from carrying a handgun in this state under the authority of a license issued by any other state;
3. I don't think there is any credible evidence that persons carrying a handgun in Texas under the authority of a license issued by another state pose any threat to our citizens;

When I started warning of the perceived "Utah problem" months ago, I clearly stated this was a growing perception in Austin among a growing number of Texas Legislators. I have also repeatedly stated that I do not want the Legislature to intervene because I prefer that we instructors police ourselves through peer pressure and that the public shun people who advertise irresponsibly.

The simple and sad truth is this; the Utah CFP has become an issue because one single instructor and shooting range started aggressively advertising that the Utah CFP is "bigger, better, faster, cheaper and easier" than a Texas CHL. In so doing, they infuriated a very powerful and politically active person in their county and this person started making calls to legislators. These range owners would not listen when warned that this was causing a growing political problem and to please change their advertising. (They weren't asked to stop teaching the Utah course, simply change the advertising.) A few more Utah instructors saw these advertisements and started advertising their classes in the same fashion, or worse.

Were it not for irresponsible advertising by a very few but vocal instructors, the Utah CFP would be a non-issue.

I didn't start this issue; TSRA/NRA didn't start this issue. It began as the advertising campaign of one person/range and it is growing like a cancer. I respect my fellow TexasCHLmembers and I respect your opinions on this and other issues. But I suggest that it is time to stop the bantering about the "Utah problem," fun though it may be, and focus our efforts on solving the problem without intervention by the legislature. If we don't, we'll have a fight on our hands in 2011.

Chas.

Perfect! Agreed. It's within our community to fix or we may get 'help' we don't want. I may change my mind if gangs of Utah permit holders start shooting it up all over Texas :lol: , but for now, "There's nothing to see here folks".

Edited for spelling!

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