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by EpicMale
Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:26 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Shooting at Car Thieves
Replies: 46
Views: 18683

Re: Shooting at Car Thieves

José Shalom wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:42 am
EpicMale wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:53 am In Texas, if you leave your keys in your car, running or not, and a kid steals that car, you are liable, to a degree, for the damage he may cause
Source? And are you equally liable if you don't set the parking brake?
I don't source everything I state. I'm old and time is precious. I share information that I am positive about. However, you could have found the same info in a shorter period of time than it took to respond. LOL... But, this time, here's an article for those that don't know the basic laws for operating a motor vehicle in Texas: https://www.carinsurance.com/Articles/l ... s-law.apsx And yes, you are exposed to both criminal and civial actions if damage results, or if a by-the-book law enforcement officer can tell you failed to set your brake.
by EpicMale
Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:53 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Shooting at Car Thieves
Replies: 46
Views: 18683

Re: Shooting at Car Thieves

baseballguy2001 wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:55 pm
Lil' Phoenix wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:28 pm
baseballguy2001 wrote: Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:15 pm First off, the victim is a moron for leaving his car running and unattended. I'm not positive, but here, in Texas, I think that is against the law.
I often see police cars with the engine running and nobody inside.
And how many red lights did you run today because LEO's often run them? Leave your car running and unattended in a public parking lot next to an occupied police car and see if you get some "friendly advice", even if it's NOT against the law. Some things are perfectly legal, but they are still dumb things to do.
In Texas, if you leave your keys in your car, running or not, and a kid steals that car, you are liable, to a degree, for the damage he may cause, plus a fine and jail:

The law they are citing is under Section 545.404 of the Texas Transportation Code, which is titled Unattended Motor Vehicle. Here it states that an driver may not leave the vehicle unattended without:


(1) stopping the engine;

(2) locking the ignition;

(3) removing the key from the ignition;

(4) setting the parking brake effectively; and

(5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to the curb or side of the highway.

The Austin Police Department notes that unattended vehicles found with keys in the ignition can be cited with a fine typically under $200. Officially an offense under this section is punishable by:
1.a fine not to exceed $200.00;
2.confinement in a county jail for not more than 30 days; or
3.both fine and confinement.

While Texas Transportation Code Section 545.404 prohibits drivers from leaving their car unattended without stopping the engine, locking the ignition, and removing the key from the ignition, at least one Texas court has held that this section of law only applies to vehicles parked on public highways and streets. The Cities of Dallas, Austin and Arlington have also interpreted Texas Transportation Code Section 545.404 in a similar manner.

To close what may be seen as a loophole, many cities have amended their city code with an ordinance making it unlawful to park and leave unattended, upon any private street, or upon any off-street public or private property used for parking and accessible to the public, a motor vehicle with the engine running or that has a key in the ignition.

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