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spolct wrote:

knotquiteawake wrote:The security guy for me just said "here let me save you some trouble." looked at my CHL and said have a nice day! I just shrugged and walked on in.
It was a far cry from last year's psycho lady who flipped out when I didn't let her grab my CHL out of my hand.

sounds like what he meant was 'here let me save me some trouble' calling the LEO over. probably has had more than a few CHLers thru his line in the past week or so.

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jggatlin wrote:I went to the fair Thursday

I just held up my hand and said "I'd rather not be wanded." and flashed my CHL. The guy didn't even look at it, he just waived me through. It could have been a driver's license (as they look almost identical).

You don't need, nor should it be a problem not to show your CHL to anyone other then the LEO at the gate. If they ask to see mine, there will be a hassle. I spent too much time fighting with them, The State Fair of Texas as well as corresponding with and providing details to DPS for their investigation. I will never give anyone with Platinum more than the courtesy I would lend to anyone.

Added in Edit: For those interested in a historical brief, I had prepared This Document for the members' use here. Please disregard the (multiple) typos, it was prepared by the blue glow of a monitor in the wee hours of the morning and quickly posted it sans proofread.

cb1000rider wrote:

Jaguar wrote:I just want to say "thank you" to those who pushed the issue and set the security folks straight at the gates.

I haven't been to the State Fair in 25 years, but I do appreciate your work and hassle getting it right.

+1

I can't speak for the others that have pushed the issue, but from my perspective it was immensely satisfying to see tangible results from our efforts; it was well worth the effort.

chamberc wrote:<SNIP>

The best response would be to ask the police officer why he brought a gun to fair. These JBT's don't realize, that they're just citizens as well, and increasingly, are proving they deserve more restrictions than actual law abiding restrictions.

I think that the one asking about the "need" for a gun was the Platinum idiot, not the cop.

FWIW, went yesterday (Gate 6) and as I approached the wand waver; I said, "I need to see that young lady right there," indicating the DPD officer. She simply said, "Oh, right, okay," and waved me on past.

Remember, only DPS can collect information on CHL licensees. If Platinum gives you any grief explain that to them. If they get upset with you get the cops attention. Write the State Fair and DPS of the problem with the name of the wand person and the cop and send it in. I guarantee they will retrain and or fire the person in question.

JKTex wrote:See the FAQ above.

The Old Mill is a 51% establishment, that's it as said above. It's not posted 30.06.

Addressed above and below.
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JKTex wrote:The State fair is the STATE fair. It's post restricted because it can't, and the State Fair doens't have a problem wiht it and it's never been an issue that I'm aware of. A couple news channels covered it a few years ago, and it was pretty much fluffs and yawns to fill air time. There was no public uprising or riot.

When CHL's first came out, there was no issue or even wand waving security theater. After 911 they restricted carry but I and a few others I know managed to carry anyway because, well, the "security" personnel were not that sharp. When the law changed and they could no longer restrict they tried to make it as difficult as possible with making you wait, security supervisors collecting all types of personal information...they most definitely had a problem with it. They got away with it once, then I started refusing information unless they reciprocated (Name, DL#, address and phone number) when the argument started I very calmly informed them they were breaking the law and to get the gate cop over here. Once the cop was involved I would be able to proceed in without issue. The last time they tried it (again demanding the security supervisor go first which deteriorated pretty quickly and that time the cop chewed on him some) I wrote a long letter detailing all of the violations committed by Platinum Security to the State Fair of Texas and CC'd to DPS security complaints. DPS got back almost immediately and informed me that this was indeed a violation and that Platinum was under investigation and my complaint was being added to a long list. The next year it was go to the gate supervisor, who then took you to the cop, only a minor inconvenience and it has been getting simpler every year.

So they DID have a problem with it and only when faced with criminal and possible civil actions did they recant. And there was an uprising but in the fashion that is common amongst those of our ilk; polite but firm resistance and letter writing that got the changes in place.

bizarrenormality wrote:

Dragonfighter wrote:The amusement park question is irrelevant, it is owned by the city.

If it was an amusement park owned by the city, it could still be posted off limits for the good guys.

The bad guys don't care, so it's obvious the real reason anti gun politicians keep 46.035 on the books.

The reason I emboldened the selected text is this. The Midway (and the few scattered rides) that are inside Fair Park neither cover 75 acres (about 13, the whole deal including Cotton Bowl and museums is barely a hundred acres), is NOT open 120 days a year and do not have security there at all times. So it is not an amusement park under those tests.

It is city owned so there is no other pretense by which they can post 30.06.

Perhaps I should have written, "It is owned by the city AND the amusement park question is irrelevant." Yeah, that's better.

Wes wrote:Amusement parks are not off limit unless posted with a valid 30.06 sign or other acceptable methods. Whether or not the midway would be considered one I am not sure. I carried there last year though, walked up and showed the guy with the wand my chl, he directed me to an officer who checked it, and I went in.

The amusement park question is irrelevant, it is owned by the city.

TPC 30.06 wrote:(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

And for your further reading enjoyment:

TPC 46.035 wrote:(1) "Amusement park" means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

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