Usually once a person has become unreasonable about an accident, there is no use in continuing the conversation. In minor fender bender accidents, if they are unwilling to just exchange insurance information then best to make a call to the police, advise that you need an officer to help get information and cut off the conversation with the other person and distance yourself until the police arrive. If it is a major accident, police need to be called anyway, so get them there and let them resolve the situation and handle the discussion and gathering of info.C-dub wrote:Excellent point Keith. Sometimes being right isn't always that important.Keith B wrote:You answered your own question. Use of force seems unnecessary, so you cannot use threat of force as you would be guilty of escalating the situation. Your best bet is to tell then you are calling the police to take a report, then get into your car and close and lock the door and wait on the officer. Unless they try to break into the vehicle to get you out, you wait.chuck-texas wrote:Thank you for your replies and thanks for your welcomes. What you guys said actually is almost what I thought, but what I am picturing in my mind is a bit different I guess. So, allow me to hypothesize a case, so that I can understand how this would work:
Say there was a very minor bumper-to-bumper accident, nothing serious happened. But the other person got really mad at you. He is not cooling down and he started to push you around. Like you know, poking and yelling at your face, etc. And he does not seem to cool down. However, use of force seems unnecessary, since he does not have a firearm or a knife or something, but he is pushing you around. He is not punching or anything, but you know, terribly angry and you cannot even call cops because of his temper.
What would you do in such a case?
If it was the belligerent guys fault, maybe instead of threatening the use of a firearm we could ask if he knows how many cameras there are at this intersection that would have recorded the whole thing and his current actions?
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- Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:08 pm
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- Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:36 pm
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You answered your own question. Use of force seems unnecessary, so you cannot use threat of force as you would be guilty of escalating the situation. Your best bet is to tell then you are calling the police to take a report, then get into your car and close and lock the door and wait on the officer. Unless they try to break into the vehicle to get you out, you wait.chuck-texas wrote:Thank you for your replies and thanks for your welcomes. What you guys said actually is almost what I thought, but what I am picturing in my mind is a bit different I guess. So, allow me to hypothesize a case, so that I can understand how this would work:
Say there was a very minor bumper-to-bumper accident, nothing serious happened. But the other person got really mad at you. He is not cooling down and he started to push you around. Like you know, poking and yelling at your face, etc. And he does not seem to cool down. However, use of force seems unnecessary, since he does not have a firearm or a knife or something, but he is pushing you around. He is not punching or anything, but you know, terribly angry and you cannot even call cops because of his temper.
What would you do in such a case?
- Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:39 pm
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Your job as a CHL is to deescalate any arguments that you can. Mentioning you have a gun in itself is not illegal. However, it can be considered a threat of force, so would have to be justified to do so. Here is the law that covers it:chuck-texas wrote:Hello all,
I am very new to this forum so pardon me if this topic was already posted (although I checked, I could not find). So, I heard it is against the law to mention you are carrying a gun to back someone off during an argument or something. So say you are arguing with someone and he/she is not threatining your life (yet) but the heat is escalating. Can you mention things like "Look man, I really don't want a problem and I have to warn you that I am carrying a firearm." or things like that to avoid further issues and scare the person off?
Of course it might be against the law to mention you are carrying to intimidate someone for no reason, but how about during a fight or argument?
Thank you.
Sec. 9.04. THREATS AS JUSTIFIABLE FORCE. The threat of force is justified when the use of force is justified by this chapter. For purposes of this section, a threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor's purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.