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by Keith B
Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:34 am
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Beiruty wrote:It seems he pulled his pistol at someone. He would plead ... in self-defense.
No. He supposedly threw a bottle of wine at his girlfriend during an argument 4-5 days earlier. The police were told about it during a traffic stop of his girlfriend. If it had been anyone but Zimmerman the prosecutor might not have pushed the charges.
by Keith B
Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:43 am
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I will bet he doesn't get arrested. I think the wife was blowing things out of proportion on the call. And, she even stated 'he's in his car and has his hand on his gun and telling us not to come closer....' Well, if he is in his car he not a threat. Go back into the house and call the police, but don't stand outside antagonizing him.

Bottom line, people in the midst of divorce many times exagerate or let their imagination run wild in a heated argument and think the other person is gonna try and do all kinds of bad things to them. I think once she calmed down she realized that she and the Dad may have been just as much at fault of escalating any argument than GZ.
by Keith B
Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:57 pm
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philip964 wrote:Arrested again this time for threatening his wife with a gun.

WATCH SCENE LIVE: http://bit.ly/18JAbGW" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Article says he had a gun and was making threats. Doesn't say he pulled the gun on her. She could just know that he carries and assumed he had the gun and interpreted the comments as threats. We need to hear more before we know for sure.
by Keith B
Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:07 pm
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AndyC wrote:I'm surprised it made it to 200 pages without getting locked :)
It seriously came close a short while back. And if it gets into that same mode again, it WILL be locked.
by Keith B
Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:42 pm
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Darn it, I was supposed to lock this before it hit 200 pages. Got busy and it missed it. Oh well, carry on. :mrgreen:
by Keith B
Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:45 pm
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This topic will never make 200 pages..... Cause when it gets to 199 plus 14 posts, I'm gonna lock it!! :evil2:
by Keith B
Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:56 am
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I wasn't supporting her, I think she probably a plant. Or, sh was so stupid that she didn't understand what she was doing.
by Keith B
Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:13 am
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philip964 wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07 ... -activist/

A woman holding a racist sign and shouting a racist chant at Quanell X's march on Sunday in Houston was an Austin based left wing plant, her picture was picked up and distributed world wide as a pro Zimmerman supporter.

This story busts her cover.
She was interviewed and said that her sign was meant to be sarcastic and pointing out that there were others at the rally that were racist and proud of it, and that she was not one of them.
by Keith B
Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:31 pm
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VoiceofReason wrote:Back on topic

Dueling protests over George Zimmerman acquittal coming to River Oaks in Houston

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Two opposing groups in Houston with opposite stances on the George Zimmerman verdict will likely come face-to-face Sunday in dueling protests.

According to organizers, the Martin march will start at 4pm, taking off from Wiley Park. The counter-protest will begin at Lamar High School at 3pm.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=9179467" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am 5 hours away. Can’t make it.
Being discussed here viewtopic.php?f=23&t=67793" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by Keith B
Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:03 pm
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Bullitt wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:...Exactly which action of Zimmerman's were "unjustifited"? Zimmerman said...
Oh, did Zimmerman testify? My bad :smilelol5:
No, but he made a sworn statement. And his defense told the same story. So, 'Zimmerma said...' is correct.
by Keith B
Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:00 pm
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OK, this thread is about to be locked. Stop the personal attacks. Any more and there could be potential bans of individuals as well. Stop now.
by Keith B
Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:05 pm
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Bullitt wrote:
Keith B wrote:Zimmerman was totally within his right to keep an eye on Martin. He can walk and follow a person all day long around a neighborhood and it is not escalating anything.
Many jurisdictions would classify it as harassment.

Never seen one if you are in public and walking through a public area and you have no restraining order against you by the person you are following.
Martin...started the whole confrontation and physical portion of the encounter
We don't know that.
All evidence says it did and the jury believed it as well. Good enough for me.
So, drop the fact that Zimmerman was the aggressor.
You will have to point out where I said that Z was the "aggressor." We don't know that Martin was the aggressor either. All we really know is that Z was getting his butt whipped at one particular point in time. Why didn't Z pull the gun earlier? Z has to wait until he is already on the ground getting his head pounded into the pavement? What CHL training have you received that says, "don't pull the gun until you are really getting your butt whipped."

Pulling your gun before there is use of force would have made Zimmerman the aggressor. Once use of force by Martin occurred, THEN Zimmerman could respond with the use of force.

Have you ever been in a fight where you were winning at first and then started losing. Or losing at first, and then started winning?
Doesn't matter. If Martin started it then Zimmerman has the right to defend himself. And the jury believed that is the case.
If I see someone in my neighborhood that doesn't look right, I may follow them too.
And they may double-back and follow you. Man has the ability to turn from prey to predator during the same engagement. See Mexican standoff analogy I posted upthread.

And then I would have the right to defend myself if they come at me physically, just like Zimmerman did.
They can call the cops on ME as well and then we can let the police handle it.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

As long as all I am doing is following them at a distance, then there will be plenty of time for them to enter an apartment/house or for the police to arrive.
If they come at me and try to fight I will stand my ground if necessary.
As you should, but would you also pursue them? Sounds like you would, after all in your opinion you can "follow him around all day." But like I said above, man has the ability to turn from prey to predator during the same engagement.
If they verbally confront me that is fine. I will ask if they live in the neighborhood or are visiting. If they convince me they have legitimate business there, then that is fine. If they start a physical altercation, then I will defend myself.

Bottom line, you are not going to convince me that Zimmerman was in the wrong. He had every right to do what he did and not to get attacked for it. End of my discussion on this.
by Keith B
Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:06 pm
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Bullitt wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:...but mine never said anything like using your gun to stop a "but kickking" was "escalation"...
The butt-kicking wasn't the escalation of Zimmerman so far as we know, since Martin couldn't testify we don't even know if it was Martin's escalation. For all we know, Martin may have been defending himself with all he had available, his fists.

The escalation I am referring to is Zimmerman getting out of the car and continuing to be a participant in the events that would lead up to a physical confrontation. He had plenty of opportunity NOT to participate in the chain of events leading up to the physical confrontation. Had he received good CHL training, or internalized any good training that he did receive, he would have known this from the very start.

While I agree with the verdict of NOT GUILTY, as a CHL holder I am disgusted with Z's actions of escalation. He's no hero in my book, like some of you seem to opine.
Zimmerman was totally within his right to keep an eye on Martin. He can walk and follow a person all day long around a neighborhood and it is not escalating anything. He even lost Martin and was headed back to his car when Martin confronted him and started the whole confrontation and physical portion of the encounter. That was where the mistake was made and that was Martin's mistake. he should have just gone ahead and ran to the apratment where he was staying.

So, drop the fact that Zimmernam was the aggressor. If I see someone in my neighborhood that doesn't look right, I may follow them too. They can call the cops on ME as well and then we can let the police handle it. If they come at me and try to fight I will stand my ground if necessary.
by Keith B
Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:04 pm
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philip964 wrote:
VoiceofReason wrote:Take a look at CNN this morning. The only topic out of 14 that did not have a reference to Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman was “World”. They even managed to get the subject into “Tech” and “Entertainment”.

Please add a "Vomit" smiley

At James Coney Island taking advantage of their 90 cent coneys today. CNN is on their TV. It's Non stop TM. Apparently 100 protest marches are scheduled for this weekend. So be careful. The out rage is growing. Jesse Jackson wants Obama to speak to it. President Carter spoke, not sure what he said, but if I would guess it would be that the UN needs to open an investigation. Jesse has now decided that Z was over charged on purpose to get him off. He mentioned a woman in Florida who is black and got 20 years and did not kill anyone. This shows how the justice system is racist in Florida.

I identify with Z since we are both CHLs, homeowners, and concerned about crime. Thus I am biased. I tried to put on the other hat. This is what I came up with.

TM was unarmed. TM was legally allowed to be where he was. He was not doing or about to do any thing illegal. He may have been profiled by Z because of his clothes, walk, or possibly his race, not illegal but troubling if you fit that profile. TM may have initiated verbal contact to confront what he saw as a danger. So far no laws broken, something we could all agree with.

Then something happens, if your on the other side, which I'm trying to be on now.

Z hits TM and shows his gun in the holster, and says something like "I'm going to kill you" TM realizing he has only seconds to act, realizes he can reach Z before Z can get to his holstered gun. So TM springs and knocks down Z, landing on top, Z spends all his time trying to get his gun, screaming for help to alert his neighbors. TM try's to stop Z from reaching g his gun, and increasingly begins pummeling Z to knock him out, he fails and Z finally gets the gun. TM raises up to try and get away but Z fires one shot which passes through all important organs and dies heroically trying to save his life. Z puts him self together in the few minutes before police arrive and comes up with a story that this thug attacked him for no reason and fearing for his life shot him. The police seeing an urban dressed young black man and finding
no other evidence to the contrary, do not arrest him.

Imagine the situation if TM had gotten to the gun in this fight and had killed Z. Would not this be what he told the police.

To me Z explains if more logically. But I am biased.
Total speculation. People can make up thousands of scenarios about how it might or could have gone down.

Bottom line, the jury heard all of the evidence, determined that that for whatever reason Zimmerman was justified in defending himself in shooting Martin. End of story. Or at least it should be. :banghead:
by Keith B
Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:41 pm
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sjfcontrol wrote:Man, that woman that swears-in the witnesses talks FAST!!
She must have been an aucitoneer in her previous career. :mrgreen:

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