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Jawohl mein herr!

Achtung!

These folks don't realize that Shop Keepers Privileges allow them to be detained/strip searched/interrogated/ and generally mistreated in any manner the shop keeper so desires or so we've been informed...oh, and it doesnt matter if they're innocent.

Innocence has nothing to do with what S.K.P. allows.

"Sieg heil!"

Yep, store LP guys have all the liberties of "Bounty Hunters" and none on the constraints of LEO officers...

PPppppppfffffttttt!

LP guys wrestle some innocent individual to the floor, because they THOUGHT him guilty of shop lifting, rough him up in the process, perhaps even injure him, to find he's done nothing wrong.

The innocent individual is just supposed to suck it up and go on about his business cuz the LP (Gestapo) tactics have all the power without consequences even when in the wrong.

Baloney!!

However, some believe this scenario perfectly reasonable and something to expect will happen occasionally, cuz them's just the breaks without recourse or remedy, cuz LP folks are beyond the law.

Please, where do these bizarre ideas come from?

Anarchists R Us?

Or, stores, your all powerful shadow government...?

Next, on your silly, dream land ideas: How to walk into a bank and demand cash without having an account.

Baloney!

"Otherwise you can be held, charged, found guilty, of assault even if you never took anything."

For defending yourself when innocent of any wrongdoing?

Yeah, sure...

So, you think the merchant can employ "police state tactics" because even when it's discovered that you the customer were found not guilty, the merchant can with impunity assault you anyway because the merchant has carte blanche to assault you without recourse? The merchant has overarching/special police powers according to you.

Baloney!

When the police falsely arrest and detain innocent people, are you aware of the large sums awarded when sued by the innocent?

Merchants aren't exempt from this action taken by the innocent...

Snore zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz cough, snore zzzzzzzzz

patterson,

Me neither, at Sams/Costco because as it's been repeatedly pointed out, with your membership you agreed to this practice.

The issue is with stores like Walmart/Frys etc. where you didn't agree to such scrutiny.

Charlies.Contingency,

We've gotten off track somewhere...

"If you didn't pay for it... and I ask you for a receipt, you're still comparing me to a Nazi?"

No, not at all.

My last post was of course if you did pay for it.

Remember, I'm not a fan of thieves, but principle...

And keep smiling, believe it or not, I'm on your side.

At this point, this thread reminds me of those in power who insist: Show me your papers schweinhund.

You paid for your purchases.

The merchant, whose inefficiency insists you prove your innocence regarding your purchases before you leave is the salient issue.

Arrest me.

Then wait for the fall out...

Bingo!

jmra,

Precisely!

Principle isn't something everyone values.

If your store is so weak that from the cashier to exiting I have to prove I've paid for what I've paid for, well I'm sure you can guess the rest...

It isn't a matter of being obstreperous or being obnoxious, it's a matter of principle.

Some, find this idea puzzling. Why not just cooperate? Yeah, you paid and you're being treated like you didn't, but what's the big deal?

If, you can't figure that out, ok...get into the cattle car.

All of this being said: I too hate thieves. This current debate isn't about thieves. It's about principle.

Charlies.Contingency,

This debate is fun. And, remember, we're not talking about Sams/Costco. No membership agreements here.

Let's assume I've paid for my purchases, have my receipt, but your store isn't efficient enough to have noticed. That's your problem, not mine. I've done the right thing...

Next, before exiting the store, I'm demanded my receipt to show proof of what I'm walking out of the store with.

I refuse on principle.

You, store owner, call the police.

When they show up and I'm proven innocent, you gonna be inna hepa trouble.

Why should the onus of proving my innocence fall on my shoulders, rather than yours? If you can't be efficient enough in your business practices to be certain I'm a thief, why am I obligated to a degrading search...? That doesn't wash.

Oh, for you that think this is being a drama queen, think again. Get on the cattle car, the train is heading where you don't want to go...

No more than proving I paid for my groceries before leaving the store am I going to put up with this exercise.

At least, not without a fight...

Charlies.Contingency,

Fair enough.

Here's the deal.

I paid for my purchases. After that exchange the items are mine. Not the stores

The store employee doesn't have a right to assume I'm a thief by their actions of insisting I show a receipt.

I paid for my purchases. I don't live in 1960's East Berlin.

I'm not being rude if I simply walk past them.

If, they feel compelled to arrest me for walking past them, do so.

See what happens after that...

I guess the principle is mind boggling to some that you don't have to be disrespected by the receipt checking scenario. It would seem some are in favor of being considered a thief and a jerk for not meekly giving in to something rather degrading.

But hey, if you don't mind being treated like a thief, well enjoy...

MotherBear,

I too am a Sams member.

I have no problem with them reconciling my receipt with my purchases. I agreed to this with my paid membership.

What some seem to find intolerable in my attitude is when I'm forced to this receipt hassle when I'm not a member of their store.

I have to stand by while I'm assumed a potential thief until proven otherwise.

Yes, I could meekly acquiesce to this exercise, but this forum repeatedly discusses the chipping away of our freedoms.

Where are their voices?

EEllis,,

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

You said: "The Faux outrage for whatever reason is just getting so old.

That's rich, as you being one of the most constantly outraged posters on the forum. You're continual ranting about one thing or another is obviously something you take great joy in, but want to deny others the same fun.

Do yourself a favor, quit reading my posts."

They upset you and you don't need any more of that.

Or keep reading them, get worked up and post yourself a good rant.

Up to you!