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lunchbox wrote:

LarryH wrote:

lunchbox wrote:He could also be compared to the ideals of Lennon from the communist manifesto.

That would be Lenin.

im going to add a part to my sig. line that i cant spell so everyone will know

Dukalmighty is self recognized as the king of run-on sentences!
Eh, your meaning came across, no need to correct you.

tarkus wrote:

lawrnk wrote:

tarkus wrote:Make a consistent logical argument. Muslim? Communist? Which one is it?

And no offense, it's like asking someone...do you prefer cancer or stroke?

No offense, but if my grandfather's doctor didn't know the difference between cancer and a stroke, we'd get a new doctor.

I think you completely missed my point. I understand the difference, and want neither.

LarryH wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: <snip> and unless you've had to live with her nuttiness on a daily basis, it is difficult to understand just how seeing the words "Maxine Waters," or hearing her deranged commie voice, I have to bark, that's all. Even most California Democrats kind of roll their eyes if you bring up Maxine Waters. She's an embarrassment to them. Just look at the expressions on the faces of the two congresspersons to her right when she starts her screed.

then how does she keep getting elected? (you could say the same thing about Ted Kennedy or Barney Frank or many other congresscritters)

Her district is mostly Sout Central Los Angeles. She is also famous for sayng the LA riots were quite justified. Since you mentioned re-election...lets all remember the re-election of Marion Barry.

The Annoyed Man wrote: Even most California Democrats kind of roll their eyes if you bring up Maxine Waters. She's an embarrassment to them. Just look at the expressions on the faces of the two congresspersons to her right when she starts her screed.

Reminds me of Cynthia Mkinney and Jocyln Elders.

txmatt wrote: Would you want to be living in Britain today? I think Socialism is scary enough.

No. Got an email from a friend in sunderland yesterday who is a huge supporter of the labour party. He wrote about the country moving towards conservatives, and much of it is related to the influx of islamo-extremists. England is changing, that is to come.

txmatt wrote:

lawrnk wrote:
Well call me crazy, but Obama mentions in his book about "getting in trouble for making faces during KORANIC studies at school."

Call him what you want. Unity church is not christian. It is Marxist Black Nationalism. So he's not a muslim? Is Marxist better?

Didn't he live in Indonesia? Where they have, um, I don't know... Koranic studies that everyone takes? Just a guess, I really don't know but I suspect that is the case. As to his religion, I am of the opinion that he is not religious and took up that church because he thought it would be politically advantageous (or so he thought...) But again that's just a guess.

I don't know about Marxist, but I don't think Socialist would be that far off. When people go around talking about Marxism I think of the ideas in the Communist Manifesto which I don't think he-or anyone else, for that matter- supports. But people think Communism/Marxism sound scarier than Socialism so they talk up the former. Would you want to be living in Britain today? I think Socialism is scary enough.

Matt,

Lived in the middle east, and worked in 9 muslim countries. Most westerners put their kids in western schools, to avoid the religious influence, unless of course they want them to have it...

tarkus wrote:Make a consistent logical argument. Muslim? Communist? Which one is it?

And no offense, it's like asking someone...do you prefer cancer or stroke?

tarkus wrote:Make a consistent logical argument. Muslim? Communist? Which one is it? I don't like Obama any more than I like Clinton or McCain but the way some people attack him with spray and pray tactics make me think they don't want to admit their real objection is he's black.

Not sure. Technically communism does away with religion, right after disarming the citizens. Frankly, he is a ghost. I think what scares me is I have not a clue who he is. As much as I dislike Clinton, I think I have her figured out. Muslim or Commie...how do you pick the better?
I've no objection to his color. On the topic of black, I'd take JC Watts over Mccain every day of the week! The race card is such a weak argument. If you ask a black person who freed the slaves, they always answer democrats (IME) I suppose they forget bush appointed more blacks to positions of power than any other president.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

amber wrote:

txmatt wrote:Wouldn't "Maxine Waters and Communism" have been a more appropriate title to this thread?

Only if you believe honesty and accuracy is better than yellow journalism.

See her quote in the video I linked above. That is not yellow journalism. That's a fact. Her words. Her mouth. She is a communist. She practically admits it herself, right there on video. If she's not a communist, then she's an idiot of the first water to say the things she said.

She is also incidentally, one of Obama's biggest supporters. She doesn't just represent him, she is him.

Edited to add:

I stand corrected. She endorsed Hllary.

txmatt wrote: I put this in the same category as when people on this board (or elsewhere) emphasize Obama's middle name or imply that he is some kind of secret Muslim. . [/rant]

OTOH I think amber agreed with me so maybe I am wrong.

Well call me crazy, but Obama mentions in his book about "getting in trouble for making faces during KORANIC studies at school."

Call him what you want. Unity church is not christian. It is Marxist Black Nationalism. So he's not a muslim? Is Marxist better?

amber wrote:

lawrnk wrote:1Associated Press, "Research finds Cheney, Obama distant cousins," October 17, 2007.

That doesn't bother me and it doesn't make Obama a Communist.

You quote me on a reference that I didn't even post an article about?

Sad. Did you even read what I posted?
Let me post it again as you clearly missed it.

Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes The U.S. Senate Debated: Obama
Voted:
Supporting concealed carry for citizens10 Anti-gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11 Anti-gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12 Anti-gun
Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13 Anti-gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14 Anti-gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15 Anti-gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16 Pro-gun
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17 Anti-gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18 Anti-gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19 Anti-gun
Listen. If you want to come on here and convince us that Obama is a friend to the gun owner, I think you found the wrong board. You might be looking for this site http://www.cpusa.org/ Play the tapes about hope and change, and bow to the red star.

amber wrote: Only if you believe honesty and accuracy is better than yellow journalism.

Here is some honesty and accuracy for you. I'm amazed at how many brainwashed Americans are in the country.

Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes The U.S. Senate Debated: Obama
Voted:
Supporting concealed carry for citizens10 Anti-gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11 Anti-gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12 Anti-gun
Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13 Anti-gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14 Anti-gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15 Anti-gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16 Pro-gun
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17 Anti-gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18 Anti-gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19 Anti-gun




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1Associated Press, "Research finds Cheney, Obama distant cousins," October 17, 2007.
2Ibid.
3O.Kay Henderson, "Three leading Democrats talk about gun control," Radio Iowa News, April 22, 2007.
4James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court to hear gun case," Chicago Tribune, November 20, 2007.
5Illinois State Senate, vote on SB 2165 (41-16), May 25, 2004.
6Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
7See the Gun Owners of America fact sheet at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm.
8John Chase, "Keyes, Obama are far apart on guns; Views on assault weapons at odds," Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2004.
9Senators Chuck Schumer and John Kerry had both cosponsored S. 1431 in 2003, a bill that would have banned any semi-auto shotgun that also contained a pistol grip, which the bill defined as "a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." According to that definition, just about any semi-automatic shotgun would be banned.
10See supra note 6.
11About the so-called "assault weapons" ban, Obama says, "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law." See supra note 8.
12See supra note 5.
13As a state senator, "Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic 'assault weapons' and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." "Obama Record May be Gold Mine for Critics," Associated Press, January 17, 2007.
14On July 28, 2005, Senator Obama voted for a provision requiring gun dealers to include the sale of a lock-up-your-safety device with every handgun sold. The amendment, offered by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI), passed by a vote of 70-30. The provision amended the gun makers' protection act (S. 397).
15On July 29, 2005, Senator Obama voted against S. 397, a bill that was designed to put an end to the frivolous lawsuits that were threatening to put many gun dealers out of business. While an argument could be made that a pro-gun Senator might vote against this bill because it contained a lock-up-your-safety provision (see supra note 14), the fact that Obama voted in favor of that trigger lock amendment (but against the overall bill) indicates his real animus against helping gun dealers protect themselves from the anti-gun lawsuits that were aimed at driving them into bankruptcy.
16On July 13, 2006, Sen. Obama voted for Emergency Powers language that saw only 16 of the most ardent anti-gun senators vote against it. The amendment provides that no money can be used by federal agents to confiscate firearms during a declared state of emergency. The amendment was added to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill (HR 5441).
17On January 18, 2007, Senator Obama voted against a pro-gun amendment to strike language in S. 1 that would infringe upon the free speech rights of groups like Gun Owners of America. The amendment, which passed, struck requirements that would have required GOA to monitor and report on its communications with its members, and could easily have led to government demands for GOA's membership list (a.k.a. registration).
18Obama has frequently made statements which indicate that he would restrict the interstate sale of firearms. For example, he told the NAACP that, "We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit." Senator Barack Obama, at the NAACP Presidential Primary Forum, July 12, 2007.
19See supra note 4.

amber wrote:

lawrnk wrote:These words didn't come from Obama's mouth

But these did.

"What I believe is that there is a Second Amendment right. I think it is an individual right."

"If you are a gun owner here in South Dakota who uses your gun to hunt or to protect your family and does so in a lawful way, then you have nothing to worry about from me."

I have some purple koolaid for you. Welcome to the board, by the way. Are you a fan of Obama?

This is a photo of the Obama headquarters in Houston, TX

Any questions?

txmatt wrote:Wouldn't "Maxine Waters and Communism" have been a more appropriate title to this thread?

No...

By the way, Obama wants to tell you what you can eat, drive, and the temp of your home (if you missed that article.) But thankfully, he is here from the government, and here to help us all.