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by bblhd672
Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:20 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address
Replies: 42
Views: 9683

Re: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address

The Annoyed Man wrote:
bblhd672 wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... c9772a7e57
The police report would claim it all kicked off at 7:38 a.m., but Bob Harte later thought it had to be earlier.

His 7:20 a.m. alarm had just yanked him awake. Got to get the kids — a boy in seventh grade, a girl in kindergarten — ready for school. Then he heard, like a starter’s pistol setting everything into motion, the first pounding on the front door of his home in Leawood, Kan., a bedroom suburb south of Kansas City. It was thunderous. It didn’t stop. Should I get up? Bob thought. Should I not? Sounded like the house was coming down, he would recall later.

Wearing only gym shorts, the stocky 51-year-old left his wife in bed and shuffled downstairs. The solid front door had a small window carved at eye-level, one-foot-square. As he approached, Bob saw the porch was clogged with police officers. Immediately after opening the door, seven members of the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office (JCSO) pressed into the house brandishing guns and a battering ram. Bob found himself flat on floor, hands behind his head, his eyes locked on the boots of the officer standing over him with an AR-15 assault rifle. “Are there kids?” the officers were yelling. “Where are the kids?”

“And I’m laying there staring at this guy’s boots fearing for my kids’ lives, trying to tell them where my children are,” Harte recalled later in a deposition on July 9, 2015. “They are sending these guys with their guns drawn running upstairs to bust into my children’s house, bedroom, wake them out of bed.”
Turns out both the man and his wife are former CIA officers. She is now an attorney, and he's a stay at home dad. Trying to find something fun and educational to do with his son, he and his son set up a hydroponics garden in the basement, where they drew a handful of tomato plants. The police were surveiling the local hydroponics shop, taking down the license plate numbers of customer vehicles. This guy's plate was on their list. That was used to justify searching his trash, where they found "wet glob vegetation" ......his wife's used tea leaves.....

On that basis, they storm-troopered his residence.

This fascist crap has to stop.
Would like to read the article, but apparently WaPo has decided that I've partaken of too much of their "journalism" without paying.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/cr ... 00778.html Story from KC Star the incident occurred in 2012.
Weird.....it is in the WaPo "morning mix" with a July 28 publication date. On further investigation, your link says:
On Tuesday, a three-judge panel of the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the judge’s decision on some issues but overturned the decision pertaining to the Hartes’ claim that they were the victims of an unlawful search and seizure.
That article has a 7/25/17 publication date.
Robert and Adlynn Harte had filed suit alleging that they were subjected to an unlawful search of their home in 2012 based on the erroneous belief that they were growing marijuana.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/cr ... rylink=cpy
I'll have to figure out the WaPo "morning mix" thing because a lot of sites I read link to WaPo articles I can't read.
by bblhd672
Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:24 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address
Replies: 42
Views: 9683

Re: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address

Liberty wrote:
bblhd672 wrote:
Liberty wrote:
parabelum wrote:Just imagine when we get another Marxist in the WH, one as AG etc.
Examples like this, I think prove just the opposite. It's the local politics. Sheriffs are locally elected. The local citizenry determines who is in charge and what the policies are. The Sheriff's department is responsible and should be accountable. If the voters accept these fascist type actions, then they get the government they deserve.

Some times we focus on idiocy of federal government when in reality, our local government are the people screwing us over the most.
Wrong, without the blessing of the federal police and support of federal courts these incidents would not be occurring at any level.
Seems to me the people should be in charge of policy. The Feds may give permission for such abuse , but it is up to the local authorities to limit these abuses. It is the local voters job to ultimately determine policy. It is the publics acceptance at allowing the local authorities to push to the limits. In this case, it is the sheriff's responsibility and the people who voted him in.

The Federal acceptance of no knock and war on drugs goes all the way to Reagan, no Democrat or Republican Congress or president has weighed in on limiting these abuses since Reagan declared his war on drugs. In fact there isn't even much of a national outcry about these abuses. That is why we need to protect ourselves locally.
I agree with what you're saying. My point is that locals wouldn't be doing it without the protection of the feds.
by bblhd672
Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:01 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address
Replies: 42
Views: 9683

Re: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address

Liberty wrote:
parabelum wrote:Just imagine when we get another Marxist in the WH, one as AG etc.
Examples like this, I think prove just the opposite. It's the local politics. Sheriffs are locally elected. The local citizenry determines who is in charge and what the policies are. The Sheriff's department is responsible and should be accountable. If the voters accept these fascist type actions, then they get the government they deserve.

Some times we focus on idiocy of federal government when in reality, our local government are the people screwing us over the most.
Wrong, without the blessing of the federal police and support of federal courts these incidents would not be occurring at any level.
by bblhd672
Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:58 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address
Replies: 42
Views: 9683

Re: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address

The Annoyed Man wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... c9772a7e57
The police report would claim it all kicked off at 7:38 a.m., but Bob Harte later thought it had to be earlier.

His 7:20 a.m. alarm had just yanked him awake. Got to get the kids — a boy in seventh grade, a girl in kindergarten — ready for school. Then he heard, like a starter’s pistol setting everything into motion, the first pounding on the front door of his home in Leawood, Kan., a bedroom suburb south of Kansas City. It was thunderous. It didn’t stop. Should I get up? Bob thought. Should I not? Sounded like the house was coming down, he would recall later.

Wearing only gym shorts, the stocky 51-year-old left his wife in bed and shuffled downstairs. The solid front door had a small window carved at eye-level, one-foot-square. As he approached, Bob saw the porch was clogged with police officers. Immediately after opening the door, seven members of the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office (JCSO) pressed into the house brandishing guns and a battering ram. Bob found himself flat on floor, hands behind his head, his eyes locked on the boots of the officer standing over him with an AR-15 assault rifle. “Are there kids?” the officers were yelling. “Where are the kids?”

“And I’m laying there staring at this guy’s boots fearing for my kids’ lives, trying to tell them where my children are,” Harte recalled later in a deposition on July 9, 2015. “They are sending these guys with their guns drawn running upstairs to bust into my children’s house, bedroom, wake them out of bed.”
Turns out both the man and his wife are former CIA officers. She is now an attorney, and he's a stay at home dad. Trying to find something fun and educational to do with his son, he and his son set up a hydroponics garden in the basement, where they drew a handful of tomato plants. The police were surveiling the local hydroponics shop, taking down the license plate numbers of customer vehicles. This guy's plate was on their list. That was used to justify searching his trash, where they found "wet glob vegetation" ......his wife's used tea leaves.....

On that basis, they storm-troopered his residence.

This fascist crap has to stop.
Would like to read the article, but apparently WaPo has decided that I've partaken of too much of their "journalism" without paying.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/cr ... 00778.html Story from KC Star the incident occurred in 2012.
by bblhd672
Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:19 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address
Replies: 42
Views: 9683

Re: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address

Jusme wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:I agree with Lynyrd, in that we need to be careful to not paint all LEO with the same brush. The problem the LEO community has is an old one.....the horrible actions of a few bad apples bringing shame and dishonor on the heads and shoulders of good decent cops, making their jobs that much harder. I think we need to remember that there are LOTS of LEO who read these stories, and agree with us that not only is justice not served, but that evil is encouraged whenever a cop gets away with murdering a citizen without any consequences to their own liberty. In the previously mentioned book, "Rise of the Warrior Cop: the Militarization of America's Police Forces", the author, Radley Balko, gives examples of officers who cringed at what they were ordered to do, and then went on to become activists against this kind of thing.

So remember that the good cops still considerably outnumber the bad ones. It's just that the actions of the bad ones are so appalling that it is hard to see beyond them to the good ones who actually agree with us.

But there is no doubt that the policing arm of gov't at all levels has become the enforcement arm. I'd like a LEO to describe to me how, beyond his personal recognition of my 4th Amendment rights, I still even have any 4th Amendment protections in the eyes of law enforcement at large. When the police won't police themselves, and their masters (apparently not us) won't police them, then who makes sure that the rights of the individual citizen are always placed ahead of an ambitious prosecutor's crapulent need to make a name for himself at election time?


TAM, I obviously, can't speak for all LEO either current, or former, but in my case, I was very cognizant, of everyone's 4A rights. I am sure that a lot of crime went, undetected, and unpunished, because I refused, to overstep, my authority, to search, or even, enter a home, or vehicle, without proper authorization, i.e. a warrant. You are correct, there is, and has been, for a long time, a mindset, among several LEO, and their superiors, that they are the "enforcers" of the streets. I don't have the answers, to try reverse that, but there is at least a certain amount of blame to be laid, at the feet of civilians. Those who push, for stricter, laws, those who "demand" that the police should "make criminals pay" when, as stated, the police, are not there to be judge, jury, and executioner. They put pressure on elected officials, who in turn pressure the police chiefs, who then pressure their department's personnel. You are correct, there are so many good LEO, that have to work among the turmoil, criticism, and undeserved, bad reputations, caused by the bad apples, that it becomes, almost unbearable. There is a "danged if you do" and danged if you don't" conundrum, for most officers. It is also, very frustrating for officers, to see so many criminals, turned back out on the streets, because it is more cost effective to take a plea bargain, than to go through a trial.

This case, like so many others, at least in my opinion, comes down, to over zealousness. This was not a serial murder case, or even, a drug dealer, who had shown a propensity for violence. This was an assault, case. Why the need for a night time, raid? According to neighbors, the police had dealt with the suspect in the past, so I'm sure that they could have devised a way to make the arrest, without putting innocent people at risk, or even law enforcement personnel. Also, from what I gathered, the arresting unit, was not the local constabulary, but from an adjoining city. Coordinating better with the local department, or even allowing them to serve the warrant, may have gone a long way towards, preventing this tragedy. Going to the wrong address, was not the only tactical mistake made, but that one falls directly at the feet of the coordinating supervisor. JMHO
Just so there's no confusion about remarks I've made - I know there are many good active and former LEO's. It's a tough job.
I respect those who obey the rule of law and the Constitution. Not so much those who do what they are told by their political masters without regard to the rights of the people. However, I will give benefit of doubt until proven wrong. If I see a LEO in need of assistance, I will render without question.

The "Rise of Warriror Cop" book clearly says that the blame for the things we are seeing lies in leadership, including departmental, city, state and federal. Over zealousness to crush citizens rights by creating "wars" on perceived social ills and then "discovering" the ability to also crush Constitutionally protected rights by seizing property and profiting from it without due process. Add in a healthy dose of political correctness, mixed with diversity hiring instead of merit and suitability, top off with prosecutors and judges unwilling to deal harshly with violent repeat offenders and here's where we have gotten.

The time is now for this discussion to be had at all levels of government, if in fact there is anyone left who actually cares about the Constitutionally protected rights of the people. As more and more LEO's retire or quit in disgust over the tactics being used, it appears they are being replaced by people who are more than willing to just do what they are told. Just because some black robed hack has said something is legal for police to do doesn't make it okay to violate inalienable rights protected by the Constitution.
by bblhd672
Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:40 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address
Replies: 42
Views: 9683

Re: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address

warnmar10 wrote:
Liberty wrote:So many prosecutions rely on an officers testimony. We tend to give our LEOs the benefit of the doubt in jury trials. LEOs caught lying, have far reaching effects. We tend to trust the LEO's testimony in courts against defendants in court because they are supposed to be the good guys. Everytime a case like this happens our confidence in their honors erodes. The lies do more damage to their honor than the actual transgressions.
In my experience, in life in general, the people I encounter run the gamut from "salt of the earth" to "scum of the earth" and everything in between. This holds true for the coworkers at every job I've ever held, fellow parishioners at church and for every police officer too.

Taken as a group, the police officer/s you encounter have about the same odds of being unscrupulous as the bank tellers or the roofing contractors you encounter.

Police officers are perfectly capable of lying or obfuscating. Some of them would never ever do that. Many of them are more likely to lie or obfuscate than not. All the others lie somewhere in between. They're just like everyone else.
Except "everyone else" doesn't get the benefit of the doubt when it's their word against a state sponsored enforcer.
by bblhd672
Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:54 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address
Replies: 42
Views: 9683

Re: Mississippi Cops shoot man at wrong address

Lynyrd wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/26/mi ... -home.html
Mississippi police officers shot a mechanic to death Sunday after the cops served an arrest warrant at the wrong residence, according to multiple media reports.
Not only did they try to server a warrant at the wrong address, they shot an innocent man while they were at the wrong address. His wife claims the police account of what went wrong isn't true. Someone got killed, no one got arrested. :mad5
If you're mad about this read the book " Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces" by Radley Balko. This is not an isolated or rare incident.

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