Let me be very clear on this...breakdown of training is NEVER an excuse, nor is it a root cause, but it does happen. When training fails it is the duty of the department to ask why and to correct the problem be that through adding to officers initial training, additional residual training or at very least making it possible for officers to easily attend training at the outside sources you mentioned. There may not even be a singular solution but many small solutions that come together. Either way we can not simply ignore or dismiss that "breakdown[s] in training" do occur and we need to learn from them when they do.KD5NRH wrote:I've really lost sympathy for the "breakdown in training" excuse these days, largely because I've personally been to two firearms training schools and two self-defense oriented dojos that offered free or deep discounted classes for LE, and of those four, one dojo has had two cops take them up on it. The others will get maybe one LE student every 2-3 years. These are classes worth several hundred being offered for a $20 registration fee, or dojo memberships up to $80/mo offered for a one-time $25-40 to cover the cost of a gi.TexasTornado wrote:What really sticks out to me in this case is that one officer chose to draw a non-leathal option where the other chose the deadly force option. To me personally this looks like a breakdown in training
Looking around at instructors I haven't had the pleasure of training with, nearly every one of them has a reminder on their FB page that LE get free memberships, and when I've asked, none of them got good turnout on that unless they're connected to an academy, and even that pretty much only gets them cadets and first year rookies.
If your job has the potential to put you in a position to take someone's life, you have a basic responsibility as a human to find training in every reasonable alternative.
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- Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:16 pm
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- Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:40 am
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Re: OK: Tulsa LEO Charged with Manslaughter
Thanks for the insight. I can see how have having both options would be advantageous. It's hard to speculate what was in her mind at the time, I would seriously hate to be a juror on this one.nightmare69 wrote:One officer drawing a firearm and another going non letal is very common. The officers didn't know what the suspect was going to pull out of his vehicle. All LEOs have seen the video of the deputy who was killed by a Vietnam veteran who retrieved a rifle from his truck because the officer hesitated. His death screams are bone chilling.TexasTornado wrote:What really sticks out to me in this case is that one officer chose to draw a non-leathal option where the other chose the deadly force option. To me personally this looks like a breakdown in training or at very least a breakdown of communication between the two officers. In this case it appears the two officers assessed the situation completely differently. The question is: why?nightmare69 wrote:I believe she panicked when the male officer discharged his taser. I refuse to believe she killed the man in cold blood.
It is nerve racking staring down the sights at another living person knowing their life rest in your hands.
I would have drawn my firearm also because you have a suspect not following commands and going back to his vehicle. If he pulls a firearm I'm ready to return fire. I don't wanna have a taser in my hand and he was a .45. It only takes a second to reholster and go non lethal.
- Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:29 am
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Re: OK: Tulsa LEO Charged with Manslaughter
What really sticks out to me in this case is that one officer chose to draw a non-leathal option where the other chose the deadly force option. To me personally this looks like a breakdown in training or at very least a breakdown of communication between the two officers. In this case it appears the two officers assessed the situation completely differently. The question is: why?nightmare69 wrote:I believe she panicked when the male officer discharged his taser. I refuse to believe she killed the man in cold blood.
It is nerve racking staring down the sights at another living person knowing their life rest in your hands.