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TexasJohnBoy wrote:I can attest to the fact that the general population is no different this semester from last in terms of courtesy.

And no one notices the concealed handgun, just like everywhere else in the state. After a couple days I was back to my normal, not a newbie carrying self. It was like the Wally walk for a bit.

I have noticed that everyone simultaneously forgot how stop signs worked after move in too.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Jusme wrote:

TexasTornado wrote:Well it's a good thing we're not the gun brandishing wackos they all think we are. Campus carry has certainly not scared people into common courtesy.

Waiting for a car to pull put in the parking lot with my turn signal on. Car whips into the spot ahead of me.

I asked the gentleman in his mid 40s (old enough to know better) "Sir did you not see me waiting there with my turn signal on?"

His response? "Yes I did, so?"

Was I irritated? Oh yea.
Did I for a second want to shoot him? Nope
Did I want to ram his pretty little mustang? Nah, but she definitely deserves a better owner.

Grrr. I may still leave a note letting him know what I think of his arrogant behavior if his car is still there after class....

If he has a university parking sticker, there is a number on it that you can turn in as a reckless driver, or any other undesirable action, you can make up....um, I mean report him for.

Careful.

TPC §37.08 wrote:Sec. 37.08. FALSE REPORT TO PEACE OFFICER, FEDERAL SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR, OR LAW ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEE. (a) A person commits an offense if, with intent to deceive, he knowingly makes a false statement that is material to a criminal investigation and makes the statement to:

• (1) a peace officer or federal special investigator conducting the investigation; or
  
  (2) any employee of a law enforcement agency that is authorized by the agency to conduct the investigation and that the actor knows is conducting the investigation.

(b) In this section, "law enforcement agency" has the meaning assigned by Article 59.01, Code of Criminal Procedure.

(c) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

Jusme wrote:

TexasTornado wrote:Well it's a good thing we're not the gun brandishing wackos they all think we are. Campus carry has certainly not scared people into common courtesy.

Waiting for a car to pull put in the parking lot with my turn signal on. Car whips into the spot ahead of me.

I asked the gentleman in his mid 40s (old enough to know better) "Sir did you not see me waiting there with my turn signal on?"

His response? "Yes I did, so?"

Was I irritated? Oh yea.
Did I for a second want to shoot him? Nope
Did I want to ram his pretty little mustang? Nah, but she definitely deserves a better owner.

Grrr. I may still leave a note letting him know what I think of his arrogant behavior if his car is still there after class....

If he has a university parking sticker, there is a number on it that you can turn in as a reckless driver, or any other undesirable action, you can make up....um, I mean report him for.

jb2012 wrote:I had a slight failure today. I was carrying in a milt sparks iwb at about 2:30 and that holster is dreadfully uncomfortable accompanied by a 1911 if sitting for extended periods- i.e. during class. So I ended up just putting it in my backpack. Tomorrow I'll try my galco king tuck and see how that works out. On a side note, I thought I was having a blow-off semester, but after both classes I had today, that idea is unfortunately non-existent

Boxerrider wrote:The cheapest and easiest way to implement - don't put up any signs, and remove any restrictions on firearms from your student and employee publications.
Community colleges often have satellites in places that overlap with high schools, federal property, etc. and who defines where as what gets complicated. Much of the conflict would be cleared by removing those as prohibited areas as well.

Jeff

Papa_Tiger wrote:

RogueUSMC wrote:already having had a year, why are community colleges any different?

From a logistics standpoint, I can understand why community colleges will implement at a separate time. Allowing universities the ability to set up "reasonable restrictions" on where handguns may be carried was required to get the bill passed. The legislature wanted to be able to review the restrictions implemented by the universities to see if the intent of the law was being followed. I would imagine that there are fewer public 4-year universities than community colleges. Having the 4-year universities go first allows the legislature to evaluate the implementations and take action to set guidelines that the community colleges can follow as a template.

For example, if 4-year universities decide that areas that have school aged children should be off limits (justified erroneously by a tortured reading of TPC 46.03 (a)(1)), then this gives the legislature time to fix TPC 46.03 (a)(1) and state that it should not be used as justification to ban people from carrying in classrooms that could have dual credit high-school students in attendance.

RogueUSMC wrote:I was told by a student (going to Tyler Junior College) that campus security said you couldn't carry on their campus because the law allows a year to 'prepare for it'...

TexasJohnBoy wrote:Aug 1 felt like a day long Wally walk for me (I'm a staff member so I've been on campus since day one...)

At my campus, the police have been very firm in the statement that the licensed people are not an issue and that people DO and HAVE carried illegal weapons on campus, and been arrested for it, already. it's actually been refreshing, dare I say it.

Now the academics... To them, the sky is falling.

surferdaddy wrote:With the exception of my extra figgiting like a noob; first day of carrying at UTA was uneventful, as expected.

Surfer

Charles L. Cotton wrote: What school are you attending. Has the school established a policy that allows professors to ban handguns in their offices?

Chas.

SHogun62 wrote:I stand corrected, missed that one line in the first paragraph. I've never had a reason to meet with an instructor in their office, so I don't see a need to worry about it on my end. I don't know if it's an ATEC thing or what, but most of my instructors prefer communication via email.

Rokyudai wrote:

RHenriksen wrote:

TexasTornado wrote:

RHenriksen wrote:

Rokyudai wrote:I found a UT ppt. There are slides that show that even if they ban their offices for campus carry, they must make alternative plans to meet with the student. That's good they can't weasel out of their duties! It's around the 32nd slide I believe.

https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A% ... basics-ppt

Wow, a) nice that the administration bent the rules that way, and b) given how I remember my undergraduate days, I would *hate* to raise a professor's ire in that way. I strongly suspect my grades would suffer as a result.

Well that and by requesting to meet elsewhere you're basically announcing to them that you're armed. Which kinda defeats the purpose of having a concealed weapon.

right; and if the professor is already anti-gun (and irrational) enough to think that making their office a "gun free zone" is a safety measure, they're going to make your life a living heck while you're under their thumb for the duration of the semester (or more...)

Not necessarily. If you need to change the meeting venue, just tell them you 'feel more comfortable' meeting outside the office as seeing all his/her degrees displayed on the wall are micro-aggressions and your safe space just happens to be in a authorized carry zone.

RHenriksen wrote:

Rokyudai wrote:I found a UT ppt. There are slides that show that even if they ban their offices for campus carry, they must make alternative plans to meet with the student. That's good they can't weasel out of their duties! It's around the 32nd slide I believe.

https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A% ... basics-ppt

Wow, a) nice that the administration bent the rules that way, and b) given how I remember my undergraduate days, I would *hate* to raise a professor's ire in that way. I strongly suspect my grades would suffer as a result.

Rokyudai wrote:

TexasTornado wrote:

SHogun62 wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

TexasTornado wrote:Yesterday was my first day of actual classes carrying on campus and it so nice to not have to choose between my education and my second amendment rights for a change.

None of my professors tried to ban weapons from the classroom; although, I do expect one of my class buildings will be posted at a later date. The biggest mention I had was one professor who said weapons weren't allowed in his office. As his class is the one I'm dropping it was a non issue for me personally, but I am eager to see the AG take this power from professors based on some of the comments made during the UT classroom lawsuit.

Overall it was a good experience.

What school are you attending. Has the school established a policy that allows professors to ban handguns in their offices?

Chas.

I don't know of any policies set forth in UTD's recommendation and implementation letters that give Professors the authority to ban their offices. The only off limits areas were resident dorms(minors), Callier Center(patients), sporting events, and the bio engineering and sciences lab buildings(things that don't react well to detonations and projectiles).

*edit* still waiting to hear back from the commission regarding my question about their definition of "printing", and it's resulting disciplinary actions.

Yes, UTD added the ability for professors in single occupancy offices to ban into the policy. Snuck it in last minute. I'll see if I can find the email.



Edit: added photo of email.

Does anyone know: Was it snuck in with the original proposal that they sent to the state for review or did they add it after? I just wonder if the latter is true, does it carry weight or are they in violation of the state review stipulation for 'off limits' spaces?