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parabelum wrote:And it keeps happening because nothing is ever done to significantly punish the offenders and their respective departments & cities.

So, in just few weeks, maybe even days, 90% will forget this and all the other "incidents" such as this one, 7% will continue to fume and 3% will be sure to stay alert and channel our anger into readiness.

No matter how old. No matter where. There are those of us who will never forget Finicum, Castile, Damond and all others who were executed at the hands of trigger happy thug in uniform. I for one am still waiting on police union to say a word about any of this.

What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. This was a blatant murder of an innocent person. Family shattered. Father gone. Husband gone. Son gone. All because the senses of heads of certain LE depts. are gone.

IMMHO... The root of the problem can be traced roughly to the time when "they" transitioned from being police officers to law enforcers. This roughly coincides with the time every agency formed its own SWAT team.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

bblhd672 wrote:If you're mad about this read the book " Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces" by Radley Balko. This is not an isolated or rare incident.

What he said. Read the book. Sadly, this is not unheard of. What's very rare, however, is any kind of accountability on the part of the murdering cops.

Accountability is difficult to come by when the police investigate the police.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:And people still wonder why we need the right to keep and bear arms.....

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I'm not sure "well regulated" is a high enough standard.

mloamiller wrote:...
However, I think the odds of a LEO doing something like this are a lot less than "everyone else."

In large part this depends on the screening and training practices of the hiring agency.

mloamiller wrote: Just like LTC holders, there are some who will break the law, but statistics show that as a percentage, they are much, much less likely to than the general public. I would like to think the same is true of our law enforcement officers.

Police officers have a much higher chance of avoiding prosecution when they step over the line than LTC holders do. In any event, it is a rare case indeed that an officer is prosecuted for embellishing a police report or for completely omitting unflattering details from a report.

Put 12 officers in a group, dress them all in body armor then get them all amped-up to forcibly breach a door to make a felony arrest... civil rights and common sense go out the window and the likelihood of something going tragically wrong increases exponentially. It is the very definition of mob behavior.

FWIW - I'm not a cop hater, but I'm also not a sycophant. They have a tough job to do and when I dial 911 I really want a cop to show up and deal with, whatever. I just hope that neither my dog or I get shot when they do show up.

Liberty wrote:So many prosecutions rely on an officers testimony. We tend to give our LEOs the benefit of the doubt in jury trials. LEOs caught lying, have far reaching effects. We tend to trust the LEO's testimony in courts against defendants in court because they are supposed to be the good guys. Everytime a case like this happens our confidence in their honors erodes. The lies do more damage to their honor than the actual transgressions.

In my experience, in life in general, the people I encounter run the gamut from "salt of the earth" to "scum of the earth" and everything in between. This holds true for the coworkers at every job I've ever held, fellow parishioners at church and for every police officer too.

Taken as a group, the police officer/s you encounter have about the same odds of being unscrupulous as the bank tellers or the roofing contractors you encounter.

Police officers are perfectly capable of lying or obfuscating. Some of them would never ever do that. Many of them are more likely to lie or obfuscate than not. All the others lie somewhere in between. They're just like everyone else.