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by WildBill
Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:21 am
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MotherBear wrote:
WildBill wrote:
G0C wrote:Speaking from the perspective of a hiring manager, I think the story reflects worse on the "straight A" student than the teacher.
Maybe a little hint of "entitlement" ?
I don't know, seems to me that if I pay for a specific class I'm entitled to receive what I paid for. If she was complaining that the course she signed up for was harder than advertised and she didn't like the GPA hit, someone call the waaah-mbulance. But if the material taught was not the material the department has set as the material for the course she enrolled in, and the standards she was held to were not the standards associated with that course, I think she has a case and should be compensated appropriately -- by which I mean she should be enrolled in the correct course at no additional cost, and the incorrect course should be removed from her records. She can then earn whatever grade she deserves on the course she paid to take.
This is what I was referring to.

Of course she should get class she paid for. My previous post about never hearing about tuition refunds is true - It may have happened, but I have never heard of a college giving a refund for a class that was taught. That doesn't mean that I think the students should pay for something they didn't receive. They would more likely give credit for the student to take another course.
by WildBill
Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:06 pm
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paperchunker wrote:Per the Tarrant County College Human Resources page minimum requirements for adjunct professors is a Masters Degree and 18 hours graduate study in the discipline being taught. It just seems some of the comments were condescending toward community colleges. Kind of like Kimber owners discussing a Taurus :biggrinjester:
There are plenty of PhD's around to teach classes, so many community colleges [and even high schools] can get a doctorate degreed person to teach classes for the same salary as people with a master's degree. I have observed that the level of education of the instructor has little bearing on the ability to teach. Some of the best instructors I had were at the community college level. They actually seemed to care about the education of the student.
by WildBill
Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:59 pm
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Oldgringo wrote:If one signed up for a course in say, English Lit and the teacher/instructor started throwing algebraic equations on the blackboard, how long should it take for the student to.......er,...uh...wake up?
I know a guy who signed up to mortuary science course and by mistake they gave him computer programming class. It changed his career path. :tiphat:
by WildBill
Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:24 pm
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G0C wrote:Speaking from the perspective of a hiring manager, I think the story reflects worse on the "straight A" student than the teacher.
Maybe a little hint of "entitlement" ?
by WildBill
Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:18 pm
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MasterOfNone wrote:
VoiceofReason wrote:But Powell maintains: “They were taught the right class.”
So we asked about the possibility of an investigation.

“As a rule we don’t do investigations of classes,” said Powell.

KHOU: “I’m asking about a formal investigation by the college after a teacher allegedly told students that she taught the wrong class.”

Powell: “No. We wouldn’t do a formal investigation.”

After all, lawyers need work too. :thumbs2:
This is one significant problem with education today - the idea that teachers can never be wrong. When customers complain, always assume the employee is correct. Granted, they are dealing with a segment of society that is known to complain a lot about everything, but to have a blanket policy of not investigating classes is ridiculous. I bet dollar signs, in the form of tuition refunds, factor into the policy.
I don't think this is a new problem. I had a few profs that were total idiots and incompetent, but complaints by students fell on deaf ears. I have never even heard the concept of tuition refunds.
by WildBill
Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:49 pm
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philip964 wrote:I remember complaining about the final for Physics 1.

An interior decorating major said there Physics final was easy.

There physics course was called "man's physical world".

Some courses of study are harder than others.

Of course to this day, I have not had a need to calculate the velocity required to achieve a 200 mile orbit of Earth, but if it ever comes up, I'm ready.
This must have been a long time ago. Today it would be "Humankind's Physical World."

I am not very familiar with today's vernacular, but we used to call them "Mickey Mouse" courses.
by WildBill
Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:03 pm
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n5wd wrote:
nightmare wrote:Based on the story, it sounds like one of the classes is for people who want to learn about chemistry in community college and the other is for people who want an easy A on their transcript next to the word chemistry.

Was that too honest? :headscratch
Sorta true, but another way to look at it is this: does someone who is majoring in accounting or, say, emergency management :oops: :rock" need to take the same chemistry course as someone whose major is pre-med or chemical engineering.
Emergency management, yes.
by WildBill
Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:45 pm
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nightmare wrote:
WildBill wrote:I remember taking a Chemistry lab from a GTA who was from Hong Kong. At the beginning of the lab he explained to the students the purpose of the experiment: We had to measure the "Waypa Presha" of a liquid. Probably 90% of the class had no idea what he was taking about. :smilelol5:
I hope he didn't ask a cop where they keep the nuclear wessels.
This was a long time ago when most wessels still ran on gasarine. :mrgreen:
by WildBill
Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:17 pm
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philip964 wrote:My first point was, I remember how hard it was when a class was taught by a GTA, and the GTA spoke English as a second language. If that is the case, no wonder they did bad. However, if your really a straight A student, introduction to chemistry and general chemistry should not be that different. Chemistry 2, sure a big difference.
This is a community college so I doubt they have GTAs.

I remember taking a Chemistry lab from a GTA who was from Hong Kong. At the beginning of the lab he explained to the students the purpose of the experiment: We had to measure the "Waypa Presha" of an organic liquid.
At the end of his explanation, probably 90% of the class had no idea what he was taking about. :smilelol5:

Edited to add: I don't have any experience in this, but maybe some of instructors at the community colleges are graduate students from local universities. :thumbs2:
by WildBill
Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:51 pm
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nightmare wrote:Based on the story, it sounds like one of the classes is for people who want to learn about chemistry in community college and the other is for people who want an easy A on their transcript next to the word chemistry.

Was that too honest? :headscratch
Nope.
by WildBill
Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:44 pm
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jmra wrote:
WildBill wrote:
jmra wrote:
WildBill wrote:
jmra wrote:
WildBill wrote:Very strange. I can not find this instructor on Lone Star College's website.
May not have been the teacher of record. Becoming more and more common for the teacher of record to only teach a few of the classes each semester.
That could be why she was confused and taught the wrong course.

Intro to Chemistry, General Chemistry, what does it matter?
Probably like Alg 1 vs Alg 2. Intro to Chemistry would provide the foundation needed for Gen Chemistry.
Introduction to Chemistry is for people who never took HS Chemistry and have lack basic science and math skills.
Introduction to Chemistry is usually taken by non science majors. For many non science majors it may well have been 3 years since they took Chemistry in HS.
Obviously, my "What Does It Matter" Hillary reference has gone unnoticed. :mrgreen:
by WildBill
Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:29 pm
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nightmare69 wrote:I would have understood the mistake, as long as they far me an A for the class.
One of the main reasons for the complaint is that one "4.0 GPA" student was getting 40% on the tests and didn't like it.

If she had gotten an A she wouldn't have complained.
by WildBill
Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:25 pm
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jmra wrote:
WildBill wrote:
jmra wrote:
WildBill wrote:Very strange. I can not find this instructor on Lone Star College's website.
May not have been the teacher of record. Becoming more and more common for the teacher of record to only teach a few of the classes each semester.
That could be why she was confused and taught the wrong course.

Intro to Chemistry, General Chemistry, what does it matter?
Probably like Alg 1 vs Alg 2. Intro to Chemistry would provide the foundation needed for Gen Chemistry.
Introduction to Chemistry is for people who never took HS Chemistry and lack basic science and math skills.
by WildBill
Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:19 pm
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Topic: College Instructor Teaches Wrong Course
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jmra wrote:
WildBill wrote:Very strange. I can not find this instructor on Lone Star College's website.
May not have been the teacher of record. Becoming more and more common for the teacher of record to only teach a few of the classes each semester.
That could be why she was confused and taught the wrong course.

Have you ever looked at their website and tried to figure out what class is what?

Intro to Chemistry, General Chemistry, what does it matter?
by WildBill
Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:08 pm
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Topic: College Instructor Teaches Wrong Course
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Very strange. I can not find this instructor on Lone Star College's website. Maybe she is part time.

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